The 2D vs 3D Video Games Discussion | Slightly Post-War Podcast

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Johnny Luken
Johnny Luken

VR is NOT just a subgenre of 1st person games. This is a complete failure of imagination on Yahtzees part. The projection of gameplay into true 3D space is a far more general concept than this. It can work equally well for 3rd person games. Even games with 2D gameplay could be revolutionised by it.

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Johnny Luken
Johnny Luken

VR corrects the problem with 3D platformers- lack of depth perception. This is one of the reasons why I think VR is more than just a fad.

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Gurdev Seepersaud
Gurdev Seepersaud

33:23 Oh my god why does this description of the industry make me laugh so much bew-khaki

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Zesty Aardvarks
Zesty Aardvarks

Dude if N+ is the grand-daddy of 2D precision platformers like Celeste and Super Meat Boy then the original N must be the 1st century ancestors. Also, someone's never played Redout, a very much high-speed 3D racing game.

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MantasButkus
MantasButkus

As a 2D artist that learned 3D and am doing both professionally I can say that 3D will never be easier than 2D to make. If you want to make a 3D model even if the technology get advanced enough to make retopo and UV obsolete, the sculpting part (the bare minimum to make a model) is exponentially more time consuming than making a drawing. If you are using something like spine for 2D the animation process would be similar, otherwise you could make the argument that animating in 3D is faster ( but it's a pretty weak one)

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Night Cat
Night Cat

Mario Party is basically the new minigame collection game these days. New as in not dead yet. MUDs & text adventure games are practically dead now, though you might still get a new text adventure once a year. Also top down racing games have had maybe 2 new additions over the past few years. Dual screen stuff is still around in the form of mobile companion apps, I'd say..

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Disthron
Disthron

X-COM was always 3D. The isometric view gave it a logical 3rd dimension even if the graphics were displayed in 2D. Not to mention that the 3D X-COM games are not exactly resource hogs and doing that nice zoom in animations would be much more of a pain in 2D.

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Disthron
Disthron

23:00 *Sonic* This is something I see a lot, people mixing up the marketing campaign with the actual game. The 2D Sonics were never racing games. They were platformers with the occasional speedy section. Trying to play them as if they were racing games is a good way to easily frustrate yourself. One of my favorite aspects of the old 2D Sonic games was it's 3 tear level structure. Most levels would be split up into 3 paths. The top being the hardest to stay on, but with the best rewards and the safest to fall off of. The middle was where most average players spent most of their time and the lowest path was mostly a chance to catch yourself from falling to your death. The speedways were used very sparingly and one of my biggest issues with a lot of fan games is how they have a tendency to go overboard with the speedways.

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Disthron
Disthron

3D games would seem a lot more accessible to Yahtzee if he learned an engine like Unity or UE4. Though he would probably have to learn something like Blender as well, which is a whole other thing.

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Disthron
Disthron

I would say investigation games can really benefit from 3D... Oh and racing too.

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KhaosZand3r
KhaosZand3r

I'm kinda on Yahtzee's side for part of this. There is a point in 3D graphics that has diminishing returns for me. For example: Godfall. That game is really pretty, but good lord is it over designed. You can't even argue realism because no real society would have the time, energy, or wealth to put so much fuckin detail and filigree/embellishment on LITERALLY EVERYTHING. It's ridiculous, and probably unnecessarily elevates the need for graphics processors.

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Herr Schmidt
Herr Schmidt

I would argue that the 3d enivironment of the new Xcoms allows showing a more complicated setting, which in 2d would need a lot more refining to be communicated to the player. A lot like parallax scrolling in 2d can a 3d environment in platformers allow to distinguish fore- and background elements based on their movement. While this is might not be worth the extra effort, I think that increase of information density should be mentioned.

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SomeDarnGuy
SomeDarnGuy

I remember enjoying the Home Improvement game as a kid, but then what 11 year old wouldn’t get a kick out of shooting dinosaurs with a nail gun?

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Noobs DeSroobs
Noobs DeSroobs

Racing games.

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Dman20111
Dman20111

2D is definitely about ease of development. Nostalgia baiting is a nice side effect. I mean just think about how creating a non procedural texture is like drawing your own 2D asset. If you're in 2D that one drawing IS your object, in 3D it's a part of it.

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SkinzyGaming
SkinzyGaming

Correction for Jack, there was a 2d tony hawk game that was well received.

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Finger Painting
Finger Painting

So, I have a favorite gaming franchise that has been making games for long enough that they transitioned from 2D to 3D, putting out titles on SNES, Gamecube, Nintendo DS, every playstation model, and XBOX 360, I am in favor of 2D dungeon maps, but the 3D battle is undeniably better. The 2D dungeon maps allow for cinematography. You get a camera angle, mise en scene, parallax and other depth of field effects you don't get with 3D graphics. When the dungeons and world map went 3D, indeed there were some nice vistas, but the dungeon design (especially puzzle design) went to absolute shit and the world map became towns connected by canyons of differing texture sets (grassland, tundra, desert, forest) they way Rich Evans described the paths in Firewatch.

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Dragon50275
Dragon50275

...But why bother with VR when Star Trek has already proven that the Holodeck works just fine? >_)

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Axel Prino
Axel Prino

I tried thinking of any game that NEEDS 3D graphics to function properly and the only one that came to mind was Super Monkey Ball, even the GBA port had proper polygons for the levels.

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RoseSpark
RoseSpark

Rimworld 2D From the depths 3D Both comes with endless fun.

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Up in Smoke Productions
Up in Smoke Productions

The horror genre feels like it needs 3d, in my opinion. Not knowing what could he behind/above you really adds to the experience. Don't know if they fall under exploration though

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Ricky Young
Ricky Young

That Skeleton needs a set of Aviators

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DeQuillsta
DeQuillsta

I was so sorry to hear about your loss Yahtzee, hopefully Pepper's in a better place now.

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aze94
aze94

On the part at the end on handhelds with 2 screens: didn't 999 incorporate the screens in a plot twist?

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Log Dog
Log Dog

'3D platforming is a pile of wank!'. Not even a minute in and Yahtzee is true to form.

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Zetman
Zetman

what about 3d games with a fixed 2d camera? like fighting ones.

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Artemis Entreri
Artemis Entreri

The issue here seems less to be 3D models and more to be companies needing to eek out the max potential of high graphical fidelity, something that is non-specific to 2D or 3D. And the mention of Blender, which is a free program, is curious. For someone who learned tools specific to 2D environments a tool like Blender might be an extra step of complication, but for someone who starts with Blender it is more digestible since they aren't accommodated to another mode. It's the same issue when transitioning between manual and automation transmissions. 3D engines are also fantastic for designing 2D games easier. A great example I've heard is lighting tools. I'm no designer, but my younger brother picked up Blender and he's sent me videos of animations he's got functioning. The answer here is that games have different fundamentals between 2D and 3D environments. It's a bit of a copout, but mechanics and stories differ on their telling when you push one form or another.

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Dan Peters
Dan Peters

Monster Hunter ( and by extension all it clones) wouldn't work well in 2D.

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Sarah Weisters
Sarah Weisters

The Civil War theme song gives me a new lease of life.

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Hamster of DOOM
Hamster of DOOM

you cant compare using metacritic as it wasn't around when most 2d games were made

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Micky Deery
Micky Deery

oh right, silent hill wouldn't be nearly as terrifying in 2D (and yes i know there are many truly terrifying 2D pixel art horror games, but 3D really adds that much extra dread)

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Diphyllum
Diphyllum

Minecraft. Goat Simulator. Totally Realistic Battle Simulator

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Trey Zimmerman
Trey Zimmerman

Puzzle games benefit from being in 3D. Though most of my examples would be in the first person.

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Read-only Memorabilia
Read-only Memorabilia

Answering the main question: yes. And top-down perspective should be the default approach in my opinion.

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steve thompson
steve thompson

So sorry for your loss yahtzee. Losing a pet is one of the hardest things in life. Been a big fan of yours for over 10 years my heart goes out to you

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Joseph Felber
Joseph Felber

I enjoyed the timing of Yahtzee saying bukkake and a white load hitting Packard at the same time - Game, Set, Match (33:40)

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Michael Dunleavy
Michael Dunleavy

“Undertale is a good game” full review written and directed by Yahtzee 😃

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Azur Aben
Azur Aben

Portal!

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Fiction Finatic35
Fiction Finatic35

35:20 Full Motion Video!

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Mandrake
Mandrake

There's a unmistakably charming, simple purity to 2D pixel graphics which is timeless, which in turn makes the game itself timeless. In contrast, almost all 3D games age poorly in one way or another, making them disposable. I'd personally like to see more 2D games with real depth to the gameplay and systems. Unfortunately a lot of modern 2D games shy away from this approach in favour of being an action platformer. An example of what I'm talking about would be FTL, one of the best game concepts ever, in my opinion.

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Nakayuki
Nakayuki

RIP Pepper :c

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Christopher Maloney
Christopher Maloney

Abe is good all round the 3d was a great game as all and the new Abe is a platform game what's your thoughts on Abe yatzee

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Runar Botnevik
Runar Botnevik

VR would be hard doing in 2D tho xD

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Alexander Dimitrov
Alexander Dimitrov

Goddamnit I was just watching looking at happy lil Pepper, and then I see the comments being "RIP" , saw twitter and now I'm heartbroken. My condolences, he was the best boy

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Inverted Fish
Inverted Fish

Diddy Kong racing on the N64 did verticality, as they had aircraft that allowed you to take a slightly different path to the carts, and it also had hovercraft to take a slightly different path to the above and of course it allowed you to go on water, at the cost of some manoeuvrability... but the overall downside is, you had to play Diddy Kong Racing... but at least it was on the God tier console that was the N64

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aWinterCrow
aWinterCrow

I think the answer was much simpler: the closer it comes to simulation, the more 3D enhances the gameplay. The rest is a discussion about art.

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Dave Strang
Dave Strang

I played the original and the new X-com and I can't fathom how anyone can put them in the same tier. The original had a robust AI, that forced you to get better or get wrekt. The new one uses some halfass algorithm that can be exploited heavily. The original, non linear and open to multiple strats and play styles. The new is just another spoon fead linear path to the finish. Both of you should be ashamed for such blasphemy...

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Picard is Wesley's Father
Picard is Wesley's Father

Rich Evans is looking good in this new Previously Recorded stream

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C.W. Rudy
C.W. Rudy

As a videogame artist starting in the 2D era, we were constantly chasing the impossible goal of replicating 3D with pixel graphics. I was so happy to learn 3D modelling and...I was going to say animation, but but my 2D animation skills were fully utilized in 3D. Though for much of the 90's we were using 3D programs to create 2D sprites for 2.5D games.

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JayStorm
JayStorm

There is a new 3D platformer i hope you review Yathzee Astro playroom and Sackboy big adventures

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JayStorm
JayStorm

I don't think people are trying make 2D games for nostalgia

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C.W. Rudy
C.W. Rudy

Cuphead is considered 2D, right?

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JayStorm
JayStorm

Devil may Cry combat wouldn't look as great in 2D graphics

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Skunk Prime
Skunk Prime

So what about racing games

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Mark Guyton
Mark Guyton

In regards to RoR2, my biggest gripe about that game is losing a run because I got shot in the back... which there was no way I could tell something was there due to the camera perspective. Other than that, its pretty fun, though Acrid really needs something to deal with flying enemies...

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von Ozbourne
von Ozbourne

Seems obvious that sports titles are not their bag. Although the argument could be made that sports game fans needing the newest and flashiest is really more of a forced publisher opinion. And even EA had to admit that despite all of the fancy controls of the new NHL games, fans still really like the simple fun of NHL 94. It's why EA brought back '94 mode in some later games and why there is a decent modding community dedicated to the old Sega Genesis/Mega Drive games. [easier to hack than the SNES roms]

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ledzeppelin27
ledzeppelin27

Next debate should be about Sonic, lol

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quincyking010
quincyking010

Using metacritic to determine value is a bad idea. Most old games aren't even on it and the ones that are seem to be given poor scores because they aren't comparable to new games even though they are old games

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Dave McGuckin
Dave McGuckin

If people are looking for an old-school style football/soccer game, Size Five Games made a comedy football game called Behold The Kickmen, which is available on Steam and Switch, which has a similar gameplay style to the classic Sensible Soccer from the 90's. It was also made by someone who doesn't like football so it is *hilarious*. (They also made a 2D platformer/point-and-click adventure mash-up game called Lair Of The Clockwork God which I think Yahtzee would *love*, which is out on all current gen platforms)

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Umbreon 197
Umbreon 197

Portal benefitted greatly from doing puzzle-platforming in 3D. 3D is a great way to either enhance or bungle a title but rarely essential.

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DéJi Vu
DéJi Vu

Why do you think 3D is not essential in Portal?

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Tyler Portik
Tyler Portik

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SeRiOuS1675
SeRiOuS1675

2.5D?!!!???!

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Simple Simon
Simple Simon

Very sorry for your loss as it pertains to Pepper. I hope things go as well as they can during this tough time.

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Joshua Manriguez
Joshua Manriguez

I could never make a 2D game. I'd feel too limited in what I can do and what I want to do when making a game. I know some people are going to bring up Mega Man, but even that is ridiculously limiting. Also, the Dual Screen didn't "die" as much as it was murdered by the new Nintendo CEO who wants to make Nintendo a greedy short sighted corporation who doesn't care about consumers like Sony and Microsoft. Also, Xenoblade Chronicles X's gameplay wouldn't flow nearly as well as it does if it was restricted to one screen. On the Wii U, I can be flying while simultaneously checking landmarks, enemies, measure locations, etc. without stopping gameplay.

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Christian Butcher
Christian Butcher

The enqiue is palpable 👌

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DarkinPunk
DarkinPunk

3:21 Okay, be honest. Who else just googled this to confirm? XD

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Penny Lane
Penny Lane

I still haven't given up hope for a true 2D Super Metroid successor.

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alex kim
alex kim

I think problem with retro sports game is they can't get license for real players. 2k and EA got monopoly already

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Pavlo Tverdokhlib
Pavlo Tverdokhlib

uhhh... OG UFO (aka, XCOM) had 3 dimensions. It had elevation, and elevators and everything. And shooting was based on line of sight and getting the high ground was kinda crucial. RTS genre in general benefits from 3D, because elevation and terrain plays an important role in creating chokepoints and map control. Also, many games have elevation bonuses where units with higher ground deal greater damage than the ones downhill.

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nicholas
nicholas

2d Fallout MMO is still beloved and was made by real people for free. Fallout in 3d... Fallout 76...

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Burryto
Burryto

is 2.5d really still 2d? or is there a 2d fallout im not thinking of right now?

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MrJimmy10fingers
MrJimmy10fingers

Don't know how to put it as a Civil War topic, but on game genres, what's with the separation of games ye cover and strategy games. Theres plenty of coverage of total wars, civ games, star/war crafts, aoe etc., but I dont think there's a single Zero Punctuation on a strategy game. Is it just personal preferences?

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Benjamin Saks
Benjamin Saks

There's a ZP on Halo Wars (starting with an April Fools segment on X Blades). Yahtzee kind of says that he doesn't like RTS in that video, though who knows how his opinions have changed since then. For one thing, he seemed to be more console-focused in those days.

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MarioGMan25
MarioGMan25

I dunno has Jack played Sonic Rush? Sonic Rush is pretty great.

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Jak Lawrence
Jak Lawrence

The Metacritic top 100 is full of shit tbh, you'll find most Call of Duty games on there, plus all the usual triple-A stuff you'd expect. Witcher games, old AC games, I think there's even some gears of war on there, there's Battlefield games... it's a real shitshow. Incidentally I agree with Yahtzee on this one, 3D improves platforming the way pneumonia improves your cigar tasting party.

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Nori Ringtail
Nori Ringtail

I agree with Yahtzee on the 2.5-D thing. The issue isn't just that it's needless- it's almost always WAY uglier than pixel graphics because there's this thing called Design, and it demands more than just warmed over assets placed on top of each other. Almost every 2.5D sidescroller is cluttered and visually busy because they don't think about how the characters need to be readable on the background- all issues you can easily deal with in pixel art or even just 2D drawn assets.

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Nori Ringtail
Nori Ringtail

@DéJi Vu The entire discussion is subjective, wtf are you on about

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DéJi Vu
DéJi Vu

A lot of subjective opinion and over-generalisation in this comment...

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DeebZ Scrub
DeebZ Scrub

I used to love NBA Jam and some MLB game that I had in my Sega Genesis. Backyard Baseball was also very fun back in the day.

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Solomon Birch
Solomon Birch

There were good 2D exploration games. The first Legend of Zelda, Blood Omen 1, and Symphony of the Night come to mind.

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William Brannon
William Brannon

In the exploration genre, i think an interesting example is A Short Hike. Sure, technically it is 3d but it isnt 3d on the same scale as dark souls or botw, and i think that actually makes it better. It is pixellated which gives it a very cutesy indie vibe, but also the beautiful sights in it are no less impressive than in botw in my opinion. Also, smaller scale exploration games have the benefit of not frustrating players as much with ridiculous hidden secrets. With full 3d games like botw, genshin impact, or other large scale ones, even tracking down where you are meant to find a secret can be tricky to a tedious degree.

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DéJi Vu
DéJi Vu

Part of the fun of *any* 3D game is simply being able to explore a virtual world and look for secrets, especially a detailed and interesting world. Not sure I'm with Yahtzee that there's not almost always a benefit to 3D-ifying what works in 2D. Eye candy and depth (literally and figuratively) can easily help make any experience more interesting without it being some character flaw.

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Ali Almuhanna
Ali Almuhanna

23:33 Oh come on Yahtzee ! You’re English ! Call it football !

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Digital Deathsquid
Digital Deathsquid

Ah yes, action/collect-a-thon platformers. the Spunkgargleweewee/Jiminycockthroat of the late 80s/early 90s

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OwnedTribe
OwnedTribe

Who is the artist of the thumbnail?

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OwnedTribe
OwnedTribe

@Cloaker Noise Most appreciated, my good dude

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Cloaker Noise
Cloaker Noise

The artists name is Boneface, and the image is the cover of the physical japan copy of the Hotline Miami.

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Jarryd Kniese
Jarryd Kniese

god yahtzee is so wrong and blinded by bias towards his terrible games

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Redacted Radical
Redacted Radical

The years have not been kind, eh Yahtz?

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Redacted Radical
Redacted Radical

@MungkaeX I had forgotten that little detail. That's a good point

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MungkaeX
MungkaeX

I’d chalk it up to being a new parent.

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Kazz
Kazz

having 2 screens has sorta of died after the 3ds and wii u

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Colin Justice
Colin Justice

I think minecraft is a game that would not work in 2d. Yes I know there are a lot of games like terraria that are trying to be 2d minecraft, but they don't do the same thing. They had to add alot more gameplay challenges to terraria to make it work, where as minecraft can be entirely about building and exploration.

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Joey Parkhill
Joey Parkhill

The 2D vs. 3D debate is ultimately pointless as long as the gameplay is good.

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Niall Collins
Niall Collins

@Joey Parkhill We are just two autistic men.

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Joey Parkhill
Joey Parkhill

@Niall Collins That's absolutely 100% true. I love the show But this particular topic is a moot point for me as I enjoy both 2D & 3D games as long as the gameplay is good. I'm only 1 autistic man so I can't speak for everybody.

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Niall Collins
Niall Collins

They are randomly assigning their position my guy. I am a fairly sure the point of this show is to have ultimately pointless debates for our amusement.

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Cybershroom
Cybershroom

Debates are subjective discourses, the point isn't who's right or who's wrong. The point is to make a better argument as to why you have a better point, it opens up room for new perspectives.

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Niall Collins
Niall Collins

That's the premise of the show I guess.

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Richard Mohan
Richard Mohan

The way to trip both sides up. Jack would not want to see Spelunky in 3D as he said and Yachtz would probably not want to see Dark Souls in 2D... I tend to agree that platforming is not nearly as fun in 3D. But, honestly, there are equal amount games in 2D or 3D I would hate reversed perspective and most of the 2D ones are old. For older games, Archon would be atrocious in 3D and I feel that Legacy of the Ancients would be the same (it would lose something from its Ultima style outdoor movement) just to try to stay away from platformers. I believe they tried to make a 3D Lode Runner too which was horrid. On the other hand, even though I am terrible at Spiderman (I can't even catch the Shocker for chrissakes) I cant even imagine this as a 2D game it would be horrible. In fact their was a Spiderman game that was 3D for the PS1 or 2 I think and was 2D for the SNES or Nintendo 64 that I can't remember the name of but the 2D version sucked so horribly. I won't say that Super Hero games have to be 3D because the fighting Supers games that basically reskinned Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter in the cas eof Marvel are fine, but for the web swinging fun of Spidey or the flying fun of Supes in the one whole game I can remember like that on the 64, the 3D perspective works better. I also don't think most strategy games benefit at all with 3D, despite how funny that "Literal Strategy Game" or whatever it is called is. But when they first used 3D models in Heroes of Might & Magic IV it looked so very bad. One other genre that I don't think is done well in 2D at all though is flight simulators. I don't think either the classic Microsoft Flight Simulator or any of the X-Wing or Tie Fighter Star Wars flight simulators would have done well in 2D at all. Even the old "fake 3D" first Star Wars game has a from the cockpit perspective that doesn't really work any other way. On the other other hand, FFVII should have never been made 3D because you only got a quarter of a game that way... After listening to the podcast, I want a 3D racing game now where your future car things can move in any direction :) As a last note, I tend to agree with Jack that the 3D software is getting a lot more available, especially with companies like Unreal and Unity making it easier to make games up to so many thousands in revenue for free. Yes 3D assets are harder to master, but Blender is also free and I think even Daz 3D is getting into the free version market if I'm not mistaken. I can see a time in the future when 3D is just as easy for future generations to make games with as 2D is now. I'd be exploring the possibilities a lot more, myself, if I wasnt using a crappy Laptop to make games on. It literally won't even run Unreal's sample 2D games.

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But_In_Space _Though
But_In_Space _Though

So sad to hear about Pepper.

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MelancholicThug
MelancholicThug

Yahtzee doesn't even get out of his robe in his twilight years. That'll do, Yahts, that'll do.

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Frogface91
Frogface91

I guess my twilight years started early...

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Mikael
Mikael

She kidnapped herself, man...

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Christian Butcher
Christian Butcher

Did he ever?

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Conner I
Conner I

Deep rock galactic is an awesome 3D game. I highly recommend checking it out. Awesome community too

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Pixel Trash
Pixel Trash

"Does anyone make retro sports games" NHL'21 included a remake of NHL'94 with all modern players as a pre-order bonus. 2d, pixelart, chiptune music, etc etc. Triple AAA companies are making retro sports games!!!

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MungkaeX
MungkaeX

Super Blood Hockey. Nuf Said.

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Zephon911
Zephon911

I wonder if the fall of the rts as a genre (ever present starcraft and occasional indie aside) is partially because it isnt a genre that requires all that much graphically (most are fine just in 2D) and so developers cant push the all new "hotness" tech like a new console, discouraging their development. I think Turn based ones would have also suffered from this had the mobile/casual market not been a huge new avenue for them. Supreme Commander a rts game was also a prime example of a game that could run very well with an optional dual screen setup, you could set one screen to look at a certain location or as a large overview map, while your primary screen could be zoomed into somewhere else for the micromanagement. It might change in the future with graphical improvements starting to be less pronounced between generations but Id also note that 2D games generally tend to age better than 3D games.

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Beer With The Boys
Beer With The Boys

Retro Bowl, a paid mobile title, is a retro-style sports game.

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420Travesty
420Travesty

Yahtzee: It would be hard for me to make a 3d game in Gamer Maker therefore 3d games are objectively harder to make

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Joost van den Heuvel
Joost van den Heuvel

Using Metacritic for these arguments always feels a bit arbitrary to me since it's filled with multiple inherent biases. Not that it makes the site bad , just not really fitting for arguments like these.

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Sludge Wave
Sludge Wave

Undertale < mother3

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ryuail
ryuail

25:00 there is a vibrant community around Tecmo Bowl, the NES football game even to this day.

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Cloudian~
Cloudian~

The new XCOM thing is relevant. I couldn't run it when it came out with it's nice 3D gfx. I couldn't play it until I upgraded 4 years too late. so I missed that train and Iv'e little interest to get into it now. I just replay the old ones. Missed the hype train and don't feel like I missed out all that much.

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xX_TH3_H0LY_SH1T_Xx
xX_TH3_H0LY_SH1T_Xx

Does Minecraft count as a good 3D rougelike?

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xX_TH3_H0LY_SH1T_Xx
xX_TH3_H0LY_SH1T_Xx

@shotgunshells2 so basically hardcore

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shotgunshells2
shotgunshells2

It would have to generate a whole new world from a random seed every time you die to be a rougelike.

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hughJ
hughJ

I'd say that 2D platformers started losing their edge even by the time stuff like Yoshi's Island and Donkey Kong Country came out. In a lot of ways they had similar issues to 3D platformers, in that the sense of precision and responsiveness of platform collision and player input took a backseat to approachability and visual presentation. Platformers were/are inherently a game of mechanical skill, so if you want to make the game more approachable for new players you have to actually reduce the degree of direct control you have over the character. Modern FPS games designed for console I find have the same issue where movement and aim end up feeling a lot more abstracted from player input because they're compensating for the lack of precision available with controllers.

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Deathbrecht
Deathbrecht

What about 2.5D? 🙄🤔😇

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