Turns Out Sony Does Believe in Cross-Gen Games | The Escapist Show

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    This week on The Escapist Show, Nick finally takes a crack at Bloodborne, almost destroys his office, and we discuss the latest PS5 event which showcased not only the games coming to PS5, but PS4 too apparently.
    Timestamps:
    0:00 - 7:41 - The games we've been playing
    7:42 - 10:28 - Anda Seat Chair Review (and Nick makes a big oof)
    10:30 - 23:10 - PS5 discussion

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SkinzyGaming
SkinzyGaming

I just started watching escapist stuff other than ZP, and for some reason Jack could say literally anything, and I will laugh about it. It's pretty fucking awesome given the plague and idiots outside.

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MetalheadSean666
MetalheadSean666

This is the first time I've seen Jack IRL and I was not expecting him to be bald

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MrDalisclock
MrDalisclock

Nick, micolash is one of the worst bosses in the series, partially because he's a cowardly little bitch and partially because you have to chase him every fucking time.....twice each time.

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TheCreepypro
TheCreepypro

love your guys insights on the ps5 cause they are pretty much spot on

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iansteelmatheson
iansteelmatheson

the XB series S is such a fucking great option, a bit surprised Sony didn't think of that

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WonderFunk
WonderFunk

Don't forget guys, there is a level of fault with the developers when it comes to not getting that "next gen" experience we want. From a project management and budgeting perspective, it is substantially cheaper to focus on higher quality assets and more pixels/particle effects rather than implementing completely new gameplay that would be unique to the new consoles - very hard to justify the risk vs reward. It probably doesn't help that our standard control methods haven't changed since we saw the first DualShock in '98 - which I believe lends itself to the complacency we see in developers when it comes to innovation. Honestly the only truly "next generation" game I would classify as such is the new Microsoft Flight Sim, it's doing things and using tools that weren't possible until big data/AI/the cloud matured a bit. What's funny is that I remember this was a big selling feature of the Xbox One during the initial reveals, it's interesting how something finally came out of it at the end of the generation.

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Y V
Y V

Consoles will not be completely obsolete any time soon. Maybe X Box because it seems their business plan is to essentially merge their ecosystem into PC (because they are essentially the same entity so it's not much of a loss to them if any). I feel like it all comes down to what games you want to play. Nintendo 1st Party games will always keep them relevent and afloat because they've always focus more on experience and gameplay as opposed to resolution and framerate so they were never even trying to compete with what PC is doing. And Playstation exclusives are some the best games out there period so you have to bite the bullet for a PS, most of those games which would not exist if Sony doesn't shell out the exclusivity money to make it happen.

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Jorae Reegers
Jorae Reegers

DVD/Blu-ray disc drives are like $30-70 to buy for installing in a PC though. They know people have PS4 disc games they want to ensure of playing. So of course they jack the price up for that option.

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TheDirty PepsI
TheDirty PepsI

I think consoles aren't able to propperly adept to the current state of technoligy. I'm not saying the pc is the better plattform, but why do companies like Sony and Microsoft never come up with a re-specable version of their consoles. A console, where changing a GPU and powersupply is made so rediculously easy, that no one can mess it up. Oh you want the next gen power? Well, heres your playstation upgradeset for 120 euro. 4k 60fps plug and play. PC building for dummies.

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SeanBahamut
SeanBahamut

Microsoft clearly have a broader strategy here to also bring people back to Windows and away from Apple (Inc. iPhones)

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Gaias Rebirth
Gaias Rebirth

I will stay with my PS4 for as long as possible... the PS5 has some interesting titels announced but i would prefer playing them on my much stronger pc...

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brokentool
brokentool

heard the I Hate Everything elevator music during the chair review =]

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James Bellefleur
James Bellefleur

I love the energy that Jack has brought to this channel since hes come onboard

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Steven Thomas
Steven Thomas

Your escapist show is really good, I dont know why it has so few views, you two have a good grounded discussion every week.

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Steven Thomas
Steven Thomas

The all digital edition means you can only buy games through Sony's market place - it is so in their interest to take a bigger financial hit on the console price to lock you solely into that market place

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Pixel Trash
Pixel Trash

"gaming" chairs are the biggest scam of our generation

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Michael Williams
Michael Williams

hire rich!

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delusionnnnn
delusionnnnn

It is the very definition of a cheesy-looking gaming chair. I'm surprised it doesn't have a stick shift.

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Junaid Azam
Junaid Azam

This was a good talk. Felt nice to have a cool headed conversation about old games and new consoles generations etc.

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Michael Santaly
Michael Santaly

The PS5 is backwards compatible with PS4 games, so I don't agree with Jack's logic. But for those who don't own any console the Series S is very appealing

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JombilyWobbily
JombilyWobbily

I figure it was an editing thing. Probably something was cut out.

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joeofdoom
joeofdoom

Never buy a console when it first comes out! Does nobody ever learn? The first iteration is always full of issues that cause the console to die, wait and they'll fix it and your console won't brick itself.

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KingLich
KingLich

8:32 LMAO

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Sam Lipton
Sam Lipton

Honestly as someone how has had an Xbox One S since 2016, I am still sitting on the fence regarding getting a Series X or a discdrive-less PS5. Gamepass ultimate is an excellent deal that will provide me with a ton of games, and day one play for exclusives at no extra charge. However, PS+ will allow me to play plenty of PS4 games I missed out on, and better exclusives in the future IMO. My final decision will come down to having a larger library of games at a cheaper cost with the X, vs a smaller library of games that I find more enticing with the 5.

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YOBLECK
YOBLECK

8:33 best face ever

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April B
April B

If I can play Horizon Zero West on my PS4 then great. I can wait at least 2 years for a PS5.

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Vili Evans
Vili Evans

I'm happy that next-gen consoles seem to have 60fps modes in all the games, or just are 60fps by default.

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Wolf13i
Wolf13i

If I was a console player - I'd upgrade right now for one big reason - SSD.

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Vili Evans
Vili Evans

There's also the fact that the next-gen games will have higher frame rate modes, or just higher frame rate in general.

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bird3713
bird3713

"There's not a reason to upgrade your XBOX or Playstation right now" Which is more or less how I felt during the first 3 or so years of this console generation

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Ike Jrmy
Ike Jrmy

It’s because of backwards compatibility so if you play a PS4 online game on ps5 you will be in PS4 servers if you play a ps5 online game you’ll be playing ps5 servers it’s the best thing they could ever do cause now you don’t have to jump consoles to play last gen

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Not Applicable
Not Applicable

I saw all the comments about Nick pulling is chair back and I assumed that he pulled out his chair but forgot he wasn't wearing any trousers or something

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Greuceanu
Greuceanu

Thanks for the video guys. Take care!

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Michael McGrath
Michael McGrath

I think it's a good thing that neither system has a 'must-have' game, no reason to upgrade immediately. I think it's a good thing that games that were designed and in production before the PS5 hardware was locked down are being offered on both, and games that are designed specifically for the PS5 will also be in development and start popping up in a year or so once PS5 availability is stable and enough people have the chance to upgrade.

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sachin72767
sachin72767

To be honest i dont expect true next gen games until 2023, Even in the ps4 generation we never had a true next gen game until bloodborne or the witcher 3. Yeah games like infamous second son and the order 1886 looked really pretty but they werent the next gen games that i was hoping for them to be, so having games o ps4 and ps5 might not actually be that bad of an idea for another year.

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MrAdam802
MrAdam802

hahahahah all the sony fanboys eating crow lol

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LazarWolf
LazarWolf

Jack one-shotting enemies in the Outer Worlds while lookin' like One Punch Man: priceless.

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Kaltes Bild
Kaltes Bild

Right next to Nick looking like Genos in Bloodborne. Still badass, but takes alot beatings lol.

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Tuna
Tuna

The ps5 can play all ps4 games right? Because the way Nick spoke made it seem like that wasn't the case

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420Travesty
420Travesty

I think they're pushing the digital-only console because if you only own digital games then you basically don't own anything. They have complete control over your library and could just revoke a game at any time if they don't want you playing it anymore like Konami did with P.T.

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Steven Thomas
Steven Thomas

@Bob Emmerson you shouldn't buy second hand anyway, none of that money goes to the developer

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Bob Emmerson
Bob Emmerson

More: no Second hand game market.

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Steven Thomas
Steven Thomas

More that it locks you into their market place only

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JombilyWobbily
JombilyWobbily

True, but let's not forget they can do the same with physical media. If it's hooked to the internet and say some company wants to remove a game from your system, you get this benign "System Update" alert, you think nothing of it, and that's a sneaky way to add code that recognizes your disc and refuses to process it. I know competition should take care of that, but this is something the whole industry wants, sadly (ok, maybe not GOG).

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420Travesty
420Travesty

"It's like an iPhone upgrade." And people keep buying new iPhones every year, so they're going to keep doing it.

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Lyaksandra B
Lyaksandra B

I doubt it. They believe in money, just like every company. They must have seen gains in it.

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BlueAversion
BlueAversion

Can’t find any listings for the PS4 versions of the PS5 launch titles in the UK (Amazon, Game, Argos).

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Jeannie Love
Jeannie Love

The most enticing thing is the shorter load times on PS5. With that, I preordered. Also, PS4 games are backwards compatible on PS5. So you have access to the PS4 library too.

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JombilyWobbily
JombilyWobbily

@Michael Santaly Can you imagine the huge lawsuit and amount of negative press Sony would get if they're simply caught lying. Sometimes they get a slap on the wrist as when they were charged with making false claims with the Vita, but the PS is the moneymaking brand here. You'd have to be nuts to say "99% of PS4 games will work" at this point.

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JombilyWobbily
JombilyWobbily

Yeah, I'm on the same boat. I feel a bit conflicted since of course this isn't a must-have, but I missed out on a bunch of great PS4 exclusives that'll either come broken on PC (Horizon) or will never come to PC (Spidey, Bloodborne, GoW, Demon's Souls) that I'll have acess to on day one. And that's great. I've also been saving up for the thing and I'm fortunate enough not to have been so badly hit by 2020 (yet).

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Michael Santaly
Michael Santaly

@LiL Frailecillo There's a huge difference between 99% of the library, and a "select few" But if you're just assuming their lying there's no point in trying to reason it out

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Michael Santaly
Michael Santaly

@LiL Frailecillo They've said you'll be able to play basically every game

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Vili Evans
Vili Evans

There's also the fact that the next-gen games will have higher frame rate modes, or just higher frame rate in general.

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Joeki11a
Joeki11a

Can’t leave PS4 sales behind

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Varnopolis
Varnopolis

Ya gotta admit tho... that wasn't the messaging from Sony about the "next generation and the PS5" for like, all of 2020. I don't think its a coincidence that these new revelations were revealed... *after* the PS5 preorders went live.

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Galarian Jedi
Galarian Jedi

I'm a sucker for the Ratchet and Clank series, so I'll be getting a PS5 as soon as possible.

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Ike Jrmy
Ike Jrmy

The Floyd cross gen is a good thing cause you can play PS4 games and play on their server ps5 will have its own stand alone games so that mean you won’t have to jump consoles to play with PS4 players if it’s backwards compatible why not have cross gen ?

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The Floyd
The Floyd

It's sad because the lack of self control is why sony is getting away with cross gen ( which they said they wouldn't do) and why prices are increasing to 70 when if you know anything about game development it doesn't take hundreds of extra staff to increase graphics from high to ultra, im not calling you sad just the state of the industry.

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Galarian Jedi
Galarian Jedi

@The Floyd Why is that sad?

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The Floyd
The Floyd

Awww sad

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nathan
nathan

Itd weird to say this, but as a non-nintedo fan who hasnt played a mario game since gc, the switch is my favorite console in a looong time. The ability to play my games anywhere just floors me. Ill get PS5 for Demons Souls and then itll be a paperweight. They really are just mini pcs at this point. Id rather just upgrade my pc.

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Dracone1024
Dracone1024

evantually those games will be on pc, so just don't bother.

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Alpha Cat
Alpha Cat

lol A new customer will be better off saying screw that crap and buying a PC.

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Enrico Marelli
Enrico Marelli

Personally, I wonder if next-gen AI is going to be a thing, or an actual, persistent world with a million possible choices to make. I'd take that more than the shiny graphics.

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Doctor Dex
Doctor Dex

Unfortunately that would be a lot more work and harder to market than look at those shiny graphics!

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Enrico Marelli
Enrico Marelli

@Dragontalon Ironclad Yup, as CuriousKey pointed out, I'm not necessarily talking about AI superior to ME, but rather superior to the very poor behaviour displayed so far in terms of exploitability. Of course I would not want an unbeatable challenge, but I don't think "they" keep it this way because of this.

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CuriousKey
CuriousKey

@Dragontalon Ironclad You totally missed their point. AI does more than present challenge, and this guy was clearly talking about immersion, which "super ai" could potentially open many doors for.

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Dragontalon Ironclad
Dragontalon Ironclad

if they made the so called super ai you wanted you would lose constantly and even if you didn't other people would to the point they would have to remove it. They keep ai the way it is so it can be beaten.

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Hart Cauchy
Hart Cauchy

That's part of the reason something like solid state drives being standard for development is more potentially interesting than just better graphics.

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N.LitenMe_Qunt
N.LitenMe_Qunt

Why does he make robot movements whenever he talks

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necogreendragon
necogreendragon

Because he is a robot.

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Alan Greenway
Alan Greenway

Don’t worry Jack, your Elvis Costello reference wasn’t lost on me.

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Patia
Patia

These cross-gen. games remind me of the black cartridge Game Boy Color games.

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Joe Bassist
Joe Bassist

Nick's face when he pulls the chair back 😂😂😂😂😂

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JombilyWobbily
JombilyWobbily

@The Escapist Please give Omar my regards for that blink-and-you-miss-it "Foreshadowing" subtitle at 8:04

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The Escapist
The Escapist

If you check my Twitter far back enough, I have a customs photo from Canada where I wasn’t prepared for the very bright light...so Canada has that same face in their customs records 😂😂

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Joe Bassist
Joe Bassist

@The Escapist I love it 😂 I wonder how many other mug shots like that you've managed to get over the years 😂

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The Escapist
The Escapist

It's being turned into an "you know you fucked up emoji" on our staff Slack...

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Enrico Marelli
Enrico Marelli

F O R E S H A D O W I N G

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Plague Head
Plague Head

Persona 4: *releases on pc, huge success* Everyone: "I want that."

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