Are 2D Graphics Better Than 3D Graphics? | Slightly Civil War

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18 dager siden
Dr. Anonymous
Dr. Anonymous

"3d a character you can more relate to" Nice try bud but I have never related to a character more than Napstablook

3 dager siden
Django Unbanned
Django Unbanned

Yahtzee please review LISA: the painful, it’s a great indie rpg without enough love

5 dager siden
PRESIDENT ELECT Nathan the Weasel
PRESIDENT ELECT Nathan the Weasel

Compare the polygonal games on the PS1 to the animesque HD sprites/hand drawn graphics 2D games on the PS1. Any hardware that can do 3D has more resources to do clearer, more readable 2D.

6 dager siden
kilroy987
kilroy987

Depends on the game - both are artistic mediums presenting their own opportunities.

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jay davies
jay davies

I feel like there’s less room for it to look awful in 2D. Think of the original Mario games, they still look good and you don’t look at any and think that looks awful, where as look at Mario 64 and it looks dated. Although, I think it depends on what kind of game your making, I’d look at the type of game I’m making first before I chose the style.

7 dager siden
Max Tized
Max Tized

THE ARGUMENT for 2D Games (or simpler graphic games): It is possible to bring more complex mechanics into the game without animating them all one by one. Just change some sprites or present the info with text. F.e. you can have a super complex body simulation in games like Rimworld or Dwarf Fortress where somebodys right toe has been shot off. 3D Games often lacking such mechanics because you would need a whole new animations for this. Of cause you can animate shrinking horse balls, what is funny. But I think the discussion comes down to imersion vs deepness.

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Sid
Sid

Not sure if they speak slowly for emphasis but does anyone else need to increase the playback speed for this debate?

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Frаnк
Frаnк

Saying that great writers are/were racists is just as much an ad hominem against those writers as it is a compliment to racism.

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Neon Knight
Neon Knight

You could film your show in 3D by doing it in Gmod with the Yatzee models.

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FatAlbert1020
FatAlbert1020

Whats funny is the game series that Yahtzee hates most would’ve aided his argument- Pokemon. A fantastic example of concise 2D gameplay made overly complicated, or at least not aided, by the change to 3D

9 dager siden
GravityGunTV
GravityGunTV

GAMER FIGHT!!!!

9 dager siden
Thomas Rogers
Thomas Rogers

You play video games on a 2d screen therefore 2d is going to be better for the medium full stop. However you live in a 3d world so 3d is more realistic however every 3d game needs to sacrifice perspective in order to make it work. If games are going towards virtual reality however then the only option is going to be 3d games.

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Arthur Oliveira
Arthur Oliveira

I feel that forced voice between them, why?

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aze94
aze94

What about games like "Crush" which mixed the 2 options presented?

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Davesoft
Davesoft

Hey it's Jack! Feels very very very scripted.

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MrZRACER
MrZRACER

more challenging doesn't always equal more fun. at least for me. also really? metacritic?

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Noel Divad
Noel Divad

castlevania64. i rest my case.

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Cartoonman154
Cartoonman154

What about 2.5?

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Asger Nielsen
Asger Nielsen

Wouldn't Portal lose a bit of its vibe if it were designed in 2D?

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Asger Nielsen
Asger Nielsen

Is he serious about Undertale being the best game ever or is it just an inside joke I don't get? I mean, it was okay, but kind of boring with annoying characters imo.

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Asger Nielsen
Asger Nielsen

The other 2d games mentioned are way better I think, but I might be an odd ball in that regard.

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Terry McQuarrie
Terry McQuarrie

If you follow the argument that 2D is better than 3D because it's simpler, then 1D would be even better. 0D would be the gold standard. 🤣

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SunBro 26
SunBro 26

Using Metacritic as a metric has plenty of holes in it. The first major one being that not all games have the equal amount of critics rating them. Some less popular and/or older ones can barely manage 10 or 15. Some extremely popular ones like GTA can get more than 70 or 80 critics. The reason that's a problem is because less critics means there's less overall views of different people present, which kind of decreases the legitimacy of it being an "aggregate" score. Another problem I'd mention about that top 100 list is the simple fact that there's a lot of repeated entries of the same game simply because different platform versions count as two separate titles, and that contributes to the same games bloating the list and making the other games that could've been on there never make it into the list. For an extreme example, GTA 5 alone has like 5 different entries in the top 100.

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Mach1048
Mach1048

Isn't this video in 2D graphics?

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Matthew Rye
Matthew Rye

So, Jack... you'll be animating the next one of these in 3D then? Bam! Delivery ... so ... stilted ... must ...drag ... out ... runtime...

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Night Cat
Night Cat

3D is 2D with a whole extra D, so which is better would surely be dependent on your degree of fascination with the D. Ask your mum; I hear she's an expert on the topic.

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Micky Deery
Micky Deery

2D has the benefit of it's a lot easier to make not look like ass compared to 3D

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Whap Goblin
Whap Goblin

I want to be on the team of dead racists and blue hedgehogs

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robin w
robin w

are pictures better than sculptures?

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isodoublet
isodoublet

Both y'all are mad wrong about sonic lol, turn in your gamer cards

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Jiorgon
Jiorgon

Jack said the first game in metacritic was at 55 with The Legend of Zelda: A link to the past, but on 44 there is Baldurs Gate II: Shadows of Amn.

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Pooltastic
Pooltastic

2D graphics age like fine wine 3D graphics age like fresh milk

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Alex Worman
Alex Worman

I prefer 3D games. Visually, they have more potential graphically but are less sustainable than 2D games

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lord buss
lord buss

2:30 What about Souls games?

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KhaosZand3r
KhaosZand3r

Debate suggestion: is the convergence of gaming genres a good or bad thing? I submit evidence for analysis: Breath of the Wild, a puzzle platformer action RPG cooking simulator adventure game with Souls-lite combat.

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L Lawliet
L Lawliet

Sorry Jack, I'm team Yahtzee with this one. Aaaaand most ones to be honest. Also that Lovecraft comment was clever, you've got to admit

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Atomicus Aquinas
Atomicus Aquinas

Great, as if 2020 needed another tagline. "Dead racists and blue hedgehogs"

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Impy
Impy

Fact Checkard

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Rocketboy 1313
Rocketboy 1313

You know, I kind of agree about the 2d being better and more readable for many types of games. I recently got the definitive edition of "Age of Empires III" and the graphics are so "good" that they are hard to make out. Kind of cluttered.

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Ultgamer cw
Ultgamer cw

This is one of the more subjective arguments id say. Both 2D and 3D have massive benefits and problems that are specific to each game type. 2D games are great for things like platformers and rpg games but can be much less immersive than 3d games. 2D games also tend to be cheaper to make so they are good for indies to use but one problem with that is that pixel art indie games are now so popular only a few can really stand out among them. 3d games work amazing for immersion in genra's like fps game and third person games. Though they do have problems. 3D games do tend to be a lot more pricy to make than 2d meaning that it does make it harder for indies to use. That being said it does seem that the cost of 3D is starting to come down with engines like unreal and unity becoming more easy to get. One disadvantage of 3D is that as was mentioned in the video it can be hard for none gamers to grasp. I remember my cousin who is not a gamer trying Mario odyssey a few years ago and really struggling with the camera until she gave up with it. I think it's also cool when both are blended together. Something like that dragon cancer had both 2d and 3d gameplay used for story telling and it was amazing. Overall I think this comes more down to the player rather than the game it's self as far as which one is better.

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Games
Games

Sonic being in 3D isn't the problem its actually been done right with games like adventure 1,2 and heroes and even sonic 06 for all its flaws atleast had decent level design everything after 06 hasn't been 3D so to say sonic should only stay 2D is just lazy and ignorant its because of that we've never really gotten any full 3D games

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isodoublet
isodoublet

Actually, nobody has ever made a 3d sonic game.

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Joshua Levenberg
Joshua Levenberg

I would argue Sonic and the Black Knight was the last fully 3D game, if you don't count the racers that came afterwards.

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Trevor Hawkins
Trevor Hawkins

2d is all fine and dandy but I have never looked at a 2d game and though "Holy shit thats some beautiful looking game" like I have with multiple 3d games My favorite part of these is that I dont think either of these 2 actually give a toss about either 2d or 3d

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Trevor Hawkins
Trevor Hawkins

@ΛutistiЄ ooooh thats one that will make me back up and say I was wrong about a few that one really was a gorgeos game

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ΛutistiЄ
ΛutistiЄ

Ori & The Will of the Wisps. There. Now that's a 2D game that will make you say "Holy shit, that's a freaking gorgeous looking game!"

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Seek37
Seek37

*Hyper light drifter would like to know your location*

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Timur Kutluev
Timur Kutluev

All I'm gonna say is that I'm fucking glad to see GTA IV being third best game ever.

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Chris Hollman
Chris Hollman

This is like arguing whats more realistic, a painting or a sculpture? 2 different mediums and purposes. "Graphically"... Hands down 3d is capable of much more than sprites. Even in todays sprite games, 3d techniques and vfx are incorporated into it to give it more flair and pop. Ever noticed when you play a 2d game, in the graphics settings you only have screen resolution and audio, the occasional quality of sprites, vs any modern day title you are overwhelmed with options? This title was click bait.

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Seosamh Wray
Seosamh Wray

@Tejas Garhewal that's how most of their debates go. Often the answer lies somewhere in between the two extremes, with both having their place. Exceptions include the micro transactions, which no AAA game should have.

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Tejas Garhewal
Tejas Garhewal

The title wasn't click bait, the debate was simply very mediocre. Agree 100% with the painting vs sculpture analogy though.

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MadnessBomber
MadnessBomber

2D Pokemon is better than 3D Pokemon. Change my mind.

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arkham666
arkham666

Why wasn't this in my subscriptions in the morning when I needed it.

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Der just4fun Zocker
Der just4fun Zocker

They both forgot that some games use 3D graphics but 2D gameplay.

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Painzkiller
Painzkiller

Yahtzee is secretly advocating for 2D animegirls over 3D ones in this debate

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KORTOKtheSTRONG
KORTOKtheSTRONG

w

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C.W. Rudy
C.W. Rudy

Yahtzee pronouncing "tiddee graphics" *CLASSIC*

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Poxif Gaming
Poxif Gaming

7:08 is that aerith?

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TheCreepypro
TheCreepypro

they can both be good depending on how you use them my example is paper mario it literally uses both planes wonderfully as long as you don't take things to far with 3d and become graphics whores all is well game play beats all

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Kevadu
Kevadu

How do you even have this debate without talking about how terrible the camera in most 3D games can be? Sure you could do a 3D engine but with a fixed camera but is it really a '3D' game then?

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That Dude
That Dude

I believe it depends on the game. I don't care if it's 2d or 3d, as long as it's fun

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Lemon Moon
Lemon Moon

Some games work better in 2D and some work better in 3D, boom, done; this is not a debate which can be objectively solved.

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Shamal Singh
Shamal Singh

Good old mono tone arguments!

11 dager siden
MungkaeX
MungkaeX

Who thought Braid was more challenging than Super Mario Bros? Like, what kind of baby gamer didn’t finish Braid? My wife finished Braid, and I regularly have to remind her that Mario can run faster and jump farther by holding the B button! And challenging isn’t always better either. It’s more challenging to have sex while ice skating, but few would argue that makes it better (not trying to kink shame here if you’re into ice skating sex). 2D games are more refined experiences, working within the limits is what breath’s creativity into a game. Being “free” to do whatever causes the experience to become bogged down in it’s directionless design. Even from the player’s perspective the movement of a character in 3D is often overwhelming requiring more obtrusive UI elements to “guide” the player. And Critical scores have been inflating over the years, to the point that even “bad” games are regularly scoring 80+ on Metacritic. It’s not that 3D games are better, they just have inundated the market at the same time that score inflation has become so absurd that it’s hardly worth looking at review “scores” anymore.

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Mr Matejator
Mr Matejator

The thing about metacritics is that most truly legendary 2D games came out a long time ago. And as time is progressing critics' standards are getting more and more lax therefore newer games have much higher scores than older games

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Hammy Burgers
Hammy Burgers

2d is good for platforming and playing games. 3d is good for immersion.

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Brock rock
Brock rock

@Hammy Burgers yeah same here VR isn't really there yet

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Hammy Burgers
Hammy Burgers

@Brock rock I guess it all depends on the game, I liked the platforming sections in Turok Dinosaur Hunter and hated them in Castlevania. I liked the immersion of Donkey Kong Country but don't like how VR games give me a headache.

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Brock rock
Brock rock

And immersion is key to really taking your gaming to the next level Plain 2d is for casual players...and moms But there's also stylized 3d games that are pretty good

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Absolute
Absolute

2d games are also more accessible to someone who has vertigo. I can't play 90% of 3d games becuase it makes me sick. Yes 2d games also can make me sick but 3d games are vastly harder on me than 2d games.

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Mr Matejator
Mr Matejator

Fun fact - I have just looked at last 10 games that I have played and all of them are 2D

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Tyler Portik
Tyler Portik

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Manav Sridharan
Manav Sridharan

Jack's dramatic gasp was great lol

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mrheisenberg83
mrheisenberg83

Tetris. Argument over.

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David E
David E

"You make them slightly different colors" That response was golden.

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Apples The Hero
Apples The Hero

Surprised they never brought up that it's all being viewed on a 2D display anyway

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Joshua Manriguez
Joshua Manriguez

I think it's hilarious that Yahtzee brings up Sonic, since Sonic exposes the limitations of 2D games.

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isodoublet
isodoublet

@Joshua Manriguez "that is factually wrong. Sonic more about how fast he is" Nope. Sonic has never been about speed. Hardly anyone seems to understand this, but it's about being _bold,_ not about being _fast._ Playing a sonic game is all about learning to let go of timidity and making that jump even if you're not too sure what's on the other side. It's about doing all those precision jumps quickly in sequence rather than cautiously lining each of them up, because the controls are simply more responsive that way. If you add a third dimension, 1. you can see what's coming so you get to plan your moves hours in advance, and 2. you lose precision because 3d platforming is inherently wonkier. It's not an accident 3d sonic games quickly turned into obstacle racers; while that formula is a lot less compelling than the classic games, it at least is _functional_ in 3d. Each of the supposedly good games you cited are in this category -- functional but bland.

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Joshua Manriguez
Joshua Manriguez

@isodoublet that is factually wrong. Sonic more about how fast he is than about precision platforming, which is severely limited by a 2D format. You can't emphasize Sonic's speed, a core part of his character, properly in 2D. Besides, there are plenty of good 3D Sonic games like Colors, Generations, and even if the Werehog sections could use improvement, Unleashed is considered good too. Sonic in no capacity "Inherently only works in 2D", instead exposing the limitations to what you can do with a character like him in 2D.

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isodoublet
isodoublet

? Sonic inherently only works in 2d.

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redboycaptures
redboycaptures

Hearing these two guys talk, with their distinctive styles. Its like weekly therapy for me :|

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Marcos Danilo
Marcos Danilo

unless we talking about something highly stylized, like octopath or legend of mana, not really.

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Penny Lane
Penny Lane

I prefer the 2D Zeldas over the 3D ones. Fight me.

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J Hebert
J Hebert

I'm going to throw in my two cents since no one cares 2D pushes the envelope well 3D wallows in nostalgia. Let me explain take a game like Red Dead Redemption 2 and undertale for example wow look right of redemption 2 is gameplay-wise identical to its counter Park way back in the olden times it is graphically better than undertale well undertale actually pushes the envelope actually places new ideas on the table it done something revolutionary with its story and gameplay and how they both enter mean it is new and pushes the envelope wale most 3D games are the same person mix shoot me in the face then it was way back in the olden times just graphically better 2D forces the Developers to do something new so their product can stand out Among the crowd well 3D can lay back and say oh here's the same game from 50 years ago but now it looks better buy it now for 69.99 the point of the matter is 2D games push the envelope and put new ideas on the table well 3D games put a graphics as a crutch that allows them to avoid actually making new and engaging gameplay

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Voltaic Fire
Voltaic Fire

9/10 times I find that pixel art, 2D games are lazy spamware, it's easier to design and that lack of effort always seems to continue into the gameplay mechanics and narrative. I'm not saying that there aren't hackneyed 3D games too but I have found the trash to gem ratio to be lower than the 2D fare.

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Péter Jaksics
Péter Jaksics

No

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Voltaic Fire
Voltaic Fire

People want 3D graphics, regardless of the cornucopia of reasons people have that means it's better. No?

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Raptyrn
Raptyrn

... And then you look at a demon in Doom Eternal and it's immediately identifiable. 3D only works once it reaches the necessary level of graphical fidelity it needs. In terms of gameplay mechanics, pick your poison. They each offer unique perspectives wherein some gameplay elements simply wouldn't be possible.

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Currrby
Currrby

I would agree with your for Doom 2016, but Eternal had some slight confusing visual designs at times (in the heat of a fight, dread knights and barons are too similar, plus there were 3 imp-esque demons that became slightly indistinguishable at times)

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Accelerator
Accelerator

Undertale and Chrono Trigger are NOT in the top 50 of best games of all time? i call Bullshit. Edit; the classic 2D Sonic games had more flaws then 3D Sonic games? what? are you high or something? even if we only use the Sonic Adventure series as the 3D example, its not a very strong argument. Sonic 3 & Knuckles was one of the Best 2D Sonic games, and while the First Sonic game was very flawed but it did what it was supposed to, and Sonic 2 improved upon the first. Sonic Adventure 1 has a lot of flaws you can see, like the some of the models not exactly looking very good, and the game also has plenty of bugs that result in you clipping though the floor and more often then not falling to your death. SA2 is better in almost every way, but still has its share of bugs and such.

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Sue Sherman
Sue Sherman

I'm with Jack on 3D games, though it gets me how Yahtzee kept referring to the old 2D games. I'd hate to play an MMO with 2D graphics.

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Yunus Isa
Yunus Isa

Guys I think Yahtzee likes undertale but I’m not too sure

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isodoublet
isodoublet

If you want to make Yahtzee rave about your game and don't want to put in the effort into making it actually good, just make sure to develop it on your own and make it quirky, that's enough.

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Xelker
Xelker

It's crazy almost every one of my own opinions is always Jacks side lol

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Bastien Auxer
Bastien Auxer

So what about Resident Evil? 2D meets 3D.

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Devil! Rat
Devil! Rat

I say 2D Graphics would be better as it means a simplier video game on average, but more accessable if you are a game dev or on a budget. As it doesn't take as much power to process a 2D Game, they are HEAVY EXCEPTIONS, but also fighting game, PLATFORMERS, and heavily stylized video games can art wise benefit from it or benefit form simplicity.

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nicholas
nicholas

Todd Howard held down my beloved Fallout and gave it the 3'D'ing that it will never be able to recover from. I vote with Yahtzee, the best games are 2d and once 3d tech moves on those games look terrible, BG 1&2 still outclasses NWN 1&2 today. Devs, you never go full 3d.

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nicholas
nicholas

@Nanook128 they made a fun enough game with a shitty toolset

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Nanook128
Nanook128

But then obsidian came along and helped the poor fall out recover and make the best fallout game ever, New Vegas.

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Jim Lordwar
Jim Lordwar

Why...does.....jack....talk.....like....captain...Kirk....after....having.....a.....stroke...?

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Morbid Minded Maniac
Morbid Minded Maniac

Just a little nitpick, but I think the title should be “Are 2D games better than 3D games”, because there’s some points where they branch away from graphics and talk a little bit about gameplay, like how Jack said that a 3rd dimension adds challenge and how Yahtzee said that 2D is more simplistic Nothing too bad, I just thought it’d be a more accurate title

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vineheart01
vineheart01

this is a topic i am glad game developers are finally realizing. Not everything works in 3D...but several things are best in 3D. The early days of 3D everything was 3D and so many horrific 3D games spawned as a result until last-gen gaming really.

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doom7ish
doom7ish

Both are good enough said.

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rocko7711
rocko7711

Love this show

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Aggressive Princess
Aggressive Princess

I really wish yatzee would have done a review of undertale cause I really don't get the appeal. I mean it's fun mechanically but everyone says the story and characters are great and I don't see why.

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RpiesSPIES
RpiesSPIES

Fire Emblem 2d vs 3d. No contest there for 2d. Also, Golden Sun is absolutely gorgeous thanks to the 2d animations.

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Iris Grimm Rose
Iris Grimm Rose

Why is nobody talking about Terraria in this debate that 2d game is better must then any 3d game that try to but fail to do a simmer thing to Terraria

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Nicholas LaRosa
Nicholas LaRosa

I thought Undertale just as Yahtzee said it aloud. I thought that was awesome. Seriously though, 2D are video games in their purist form. The AAA industry usually make shit games these days because they focus more on graphics than gameplay.

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CalciumChief
CalciumChief

I will always say hand-darwn HD sprites are better than any 3D graphic.

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Lux
Lux

Knew he would bring Sonic into this

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Nicholas Frontier
Nicholas Frontier

In video games, they are both great. In movies and shows, we need to bring 2D back

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ΛutistiЄ
ΛutistiЄ

Exactly.

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Uncle Dan
Uncle Dan

Jack-s in full strength today! Whatever he's on, I want some.

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Samuel Sarette
Samuel Sarette

Boo, the hatred for Sonic games makes me not care about the opinions within.

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SilentHillUK89
SilentHillUK89

Jack is right on this 1, we would never have got the likes of Silent Hill 2 if it was 2D

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Mikael
Mikael

This episode would have been better in 3D!

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amazingdrewH
amazingdrewH

Fact Jack is always going in Yahtzee's back door I see

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Zack Perkins
Zack Perkins

Doom and Doom 2 were technically 2d but also 3d, and are 2 of the greatest fps games ever, in my opinion. Therefore, both arguments are invalid

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