Should Developers Be Allowed to Remove Paid-For Content? | Slightly Civil War

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The Escapist
The Escapist

Note: We have split the episodes into the main animated show and now the Slightly Post-War Podcast. You can find it here: https://youtu.be/kQbNzfeFzlY

28 dager siden
Dekanah Denfor
Dekanah Denfor

@The Escapist that makes a lot of sense, thank for the reply!

19 dager siden
Drew Travis Robinson
Drew Travis Robinson

You know what? I'm okay with this and I understand the reasoning. I'll happily watch both videos. Also, I hope there aren't any plans to remove the podcasts as I love having the background audio to play while my screen is off.

21 dag siden
Alex Sørlie Glomsaas
Alex Sørlie Glomsaas

For those who are wondering this podcast is available as an actual podcast even though they don't seem to link to it anywhere just search for "Slightly Civil War" in any podcast app

21 dag siden
DeebZ Scrub
DeebZ Scrub

I think this was a good call, I tend to prefer to listen to the actual show with my normal youtube rounds then come back for the full podcast later.

21 dag siden
Sydney Lawton
Sydney Lawton

@The Escapist I was worried about that - I'm not much of a podcast listener, and I don't always have enough time to watch the whole vid, so I would bail if needed. Felt bad because I knew the engagement was going to be poor. I'm happy you split them up so I don't hurt your numbers TT^TT

21 dag siden
ekimmak
ekimmak

It feels like both of them are being incredibly sarcastic about the whole thing, because the lines were cut in such a way both sides have negatives.

10 dager siden
Anthony Blue
Anthony Blue

The content removed was very old and mostly unplayed... idk... I paid for it, and whatever man...

12 dager siden
Immudzen
Immudzen

I think things should be changeable after release but I don't like the idea of removing stuff unless it is just a broken part of the game and nobody is using it. Look at games like Everquest. They have been around for about 20 years and has had the engine completely rebuilt at least twice. Without constant upgrades there is no chance it would run on modern hardware. Other games I have played launched with very complex systems for crafting and other aspects and later completely rebuilt the system to be much more manageable.

13 dager siden
theheftygamer
theheftygamer

Changing to improve? Go ahead. Removing paid for content instead of improving said content to make it worth keeping? Nope nope nope

13 dager siden
PROTOBLUES90
PROTOBLUES90

I almost feel like Yahtzee threw this one.

14 dager siden
SweetKiren
SweetKiren

Anyone know the name of the song at the beginning and end of the episodes?

15 dager siden
pr0xZen
pr0xZen

I don't mind _additive_ changes, as long as they're not microtransactions and lootboxes. _Removing content_ though - not so much. If you insist on doing that, you should do a fork.

15 dager siden
42 42
42 42

Man you can hear Yahtzee's soul leave his body and how he became a mindless shell.

18 dager siden
Jommamo Soffat
Jommamo Soffat

sure do it all you like, go too far though and I will never forgive you. I am stubborn and hold grudges

18 dager siden
Троян Борис
Троян Борис

Bungie makeing peple pay wvery year WITHOUT making a new game, duh (5:35)

18 dager siden
Xavier H
Xavier H

Both of them sound like they're reading individual words one at a time from a teleprompter and had someone edit those individual words together to form sentences.

18 dager siden
IanTH
IanTH

This is the first of this series I've watched, is this how they always are? This felt off to me. I think it stems from the problem of sometimes when arguing against your own stance on a topic, instead of getting interesting new insight you just kind of regurgitate what you hear others say. That's kind of what this whole debate felt like - the same talking points we've heard before, said with no conviction or interest by the parties saying them.

18 dager siden
IanTH
IanTH

Man, Jack needs to tone it down a bit. His extreme voice-modulation is distracting.

18 dager siden
Pr0man
Pr0man

Having to argue against ones own points is so silly - poor Yahtz. Obviously dev's shouldn't be allowed to just cut content like that. Content that has deliberately been cut from a game that has already been paid for - for whatever reasons possible - is just as dumb as cutting content from a game pre-launch only to then sell it as Day-1 DLC, just with the furniture shuffled around a bit. If you remove content, be it the lore surrounding certain parts of a game, actually playable content like instances or raids or even something as mundane as some maps you will inevitably lose context for following events as those have been crafted with said context in mind. Hell, it's the same for certain MMOs that decided to change its base maps around drastically with followup addons. Now all the old context is lost to time and space and it's basically having as much impact to play as pissing in the wind would have.

19 dager siden
Igor Ćirović
Igor Ćirović

Eh. This is my second attempt at listening to one of these and I gave up just below the 4 minute mark. I wish these were proper discussions as opposed to the two of them just trying to turn the most ridiculous youtube and/or reddit comments into a faked out discussion on a rather interesting topic.

19 dager siden
Josh
Josh

The podcast is way better

16 dager siden
QueerBiNatureNYC
QueerBiNatureNYC

What we are dealing with here is bait-and-switch and it is illegal. Though by this time I wouldn't be surprised if they made everyone digital-sign a TOS waiving the consumers' right for legal recourse.

19 dager siden
Sarah Weisters
Sarah Weisters

Yahtzee's quote! I have been living by that shit for years! XD

19 dager siden
SinaelDOverom
SinaelDOverom

The argument "For" only makes sense if developers were speaking the truth in it improving the game. But they don't. Bungie removed content from Destiny 2 that people enjoyed, and capped the power level of the old items people liked to make them useless in the new seasons. The power Creep was always a problem in online games and Bungie solved it in destiny 2 with infusion, allowing people to keep using the gear they liked in new content. People liked that and that was one of th reason I played Destiny 2 in the first place. But now years later they removed that by capping the power level of the old gear and you can't use it anymore in the new content, bringing the situation back to where its started, with the same problem the game had when its first released. This is scummy and wrong on all levels.

19 dager siden
cr0mag
cr0mag

Destiny 2 runs way better on my PC now, no more stutters and the load times are vastly improved. I'm also very unhappy they took away half the game, if they bring back the old planets with the optimisations I would be happy. Obviously the best decision would have been to optimise the old planets in the background and just switch it up when they were done

19 dager siden
Roger Alvarez
Roger Alvarez

Tbh vaulting makes sense in a f2p model. Fomo is pretty much their business model but on a paid product it looks incredibly scummy. At leas imo.

19 dager siden
Daniel Leighton
Daniel Leighton

Its like if valve updated half life 2 with episode 3 levels but they removed all the half life 2 levels to make room. That way nobody would be able to play half life 2 anymore and only have episode 1 2 and 3. Then there would be a hoard of fanboys who would jump to defend it by saying "We've had over a decade to play half life 2 so who cares."

20 dager siden
Sublime D
Sublime D

So.... Why does Yahtzee never get the good side?

20 dager siden
AlucardaLaCarte
AlucardaLaCarte

Yahtzee barely even TRYING to defend this shite. I love it.

20 dager siden
Mikael
Mikael

You're growing on me, Jack. It's weird, but I am not asking you to stop.

20 dager siden
Sirdiealot88
Sirdiealot88

I'd love for them to discuss the shitness of DLC as a concept - not battle but discuss

20 dager siden
HenkkaArt
HenkkaArt

Fixing bugs after release is favor to the customers who bought the product expecting an advertised experience and not getting it due to bugs, glitches and whatnot. Bugfixing is not something that should be cheered on. It is the bare minimum a developer can do to keep their promise and deliver what customers paid for. Or else there needs to be an unlimited right to refund the product if it is not functioning as promised, in every aspect. Fixing bugs is not changing the content; it is making the content it was advertised to be when the money changes hands. Selling content and then removing it is, for all intents and purposes, theft. You sold a product and got money from it. If you take it back, bar access to it from those who paid for it, you are quite literally taking away other people's property, regardless of how game companies want to try and define who owns what digital content. Selling content needs to be redefined as renting content and the price should then go down day by day until the content is removed so that those who buy it on the last week of being available, get to pay less because they have less time to enjoy it.

20 dager siden
ZoanBlade90
ZoanBlade90

1:44 I can hear the pain in his voice, as he says this.

20 dager siden
Dan Smith
Dan Smith

Yeah obviously, ultimately it is their IP, the reasoning behind it is valid (its easier to iron out bugs and make things run quicker when the content isn't available to the public) and the alternative would be a full price sequel with another "oh some guy blew up all my gear" mission. People are so entitled these days.

20 dager siden
MR. J
MR. J

damn they separated the podcasts now that sucks the two together usually made perfect length videos for my work commute.

20 dager siden
Lux
Lux

Hadn’t heard about Destiny doing that till now. It’s even more hilarious remembering that when they split from Activision people we’re celebrating thinking Bungie would go back to the old Halo days. Boy were they wrong. All I’m going to say is bug fixes are fine, “release now, fix later” is terrible and should die along with micro transactions in paid games.

20 dager siden
Khrashing Phantom
Khrashing Phantom

Here's the breakdown. Devs SHOULD put out games that are complete and ready to play to their full capacity at launch, (Even without an Internet connection) but they won't. This is because they don't HAVE to. No matter what cash grabbing nonsense Devs come up with "Gamers" will continue to buy games, subscribe to gaming streaming services (which is a HORRIBLE IDEA), pay for "DLC", and generally rebuy the same games year after year with "Remaster" slapped on it since ACTUAL backwards compatibility is a thing of the past. Anything "Gamers" complain about or worry about in the state of modern gaming is primarily their own fault, and there's absolutely NO incentive to change it for the better.

20 dager siden
Richard Russell
Richard Russell

I love how Jack says that he 'will be' the angry old man that nobody listens to, as if he isn't already ... >_

20 dager siden
Linus D N
Linus D N

Hearing Jack Packard talk makes me think of Prereq. Kinda sad...

20 dager siden
Ishaku Raigami
Ishaku Raigami

Yahtzee can't even defend the destiny one. It goes against his very soul. Edited because I can't type

20 dager siden
Grant Henderson
Grant Henderson

Okay its fine if they come in and fix bugs. Its not fine to remove lore and change the story.

20 dager siden
joefosh
joefosh

well, ethically they shouldn't.. unfortunately due to the amount they write into those user agreements you get forced into checking off they can pretty much do what they want to the games... Plus I'm pretty sure EA owns my kidneys now..

20 dager siden
Joshua Perfect
Joshua Perfect

The crunch argument was a deliciously low blow

20 dager siden
Mika de Grote
Mika de Grote

How about removing content already in the game, and then selling it as dlc? Sounds like something Bungee would do.

20 dager siden
TheCreepypro
TheCreepypro

great debate but I feel like either side could have brought up star citizen and it would have helped either of their arguments somehow

20 dager siden
Alex Cartier
Alex Cartier

I would say changes that fix or enhance a game can stay. Changes that remove entire sections of content should not be made. If I buy a first person shooter, how many changes would be made before it turns into a Barbie cooking simulator? If I buy a game all features of that game should be kept, if you want to make significant changes, save it for the sequel.

20 dager siden
Alex Cartier
Alex Cartier

or having a game that has no single player content and is entirely online and then deciding a few years down the line that they want to turn off the servers

20 dager siden
Alex Cartier
Alex Cartier

For example: Skyrim. The free patches and bug-fixes are good changes. But if I buy all the DLC and they just decide to remove Mirak from the game, they are removing an entire feature from something that I specifically paid for.

20 dager siden
drdca
drdca

simple answer : changes are fine as long as nothing stops me or tries to hinder me from running an old version instead of a later version. (I don't address games which are primarily online experiences because I think they should be classified as edge cases a ways away from the most central sense of "video game", and therefore to be handled separately as an edge case.)

20 dager siden
Whawpenshaw
Whawpenshaw

With larger and larger games, is it realistic to expect "no cash until finished"? If a delay to "finish" costs more than your remaining budget, is it not better to release early, get cash flow, then fix the game vs scrapping the entire game and going bankrupt? Obviously this doesn't describe companies like EA or Ubisoft, but it's not as simple as everyone always makes it out to be.

20 dager siden
sophia daniels
sophia daniels

destiny 1 was way worse about taking away content. they took away weekly end game grind content if you weren't up on the latest dlc. i mean.... it was a bummer when they took away different world map content... but that's just the nature of them changing up all that stuff to go with the current dlc... which you'll have access to regardless because it's world map stuff... it's kinda weird that they're taking away base game locations stuff in destiny 2 with this new update.... but they're switching out for new locations... which i suspect will all be available for everybody to go to... even if you can't access the story missions.... they at least let you play the strikes in the playlist so the paying customers can have people to play with them on those strikes. i dunno... i kinda got frustrated with the whole monitization and dlc and changing content stuff from the first one..... so i've only been doing free to play destiny 2.... got the base game and the first two dlc for free.... and i'm not sure i'm really gonna miss mars or the infinite forest.... so i'm more just mildly curious about what's gonna change.... maybe it'll be worth seeing what a new character story missions are gonna be like now that two of the base locations are gone.

21 dag siden
SpikeStarkey
SpikeStarkey

1:32 As sarcastic as Yahtzee is here, he's right on the money with this opening statement. People were told this was the future and that it was better than owning physical things. Now that it's here and companies can alter the product you've licensed on the fly, you don't get to complain about it. Lie in the bed you've made.

21 dag siden
Cyan Suy
Cyan Suy

Easy, just classify the removed content as bugs. “Oh yeah, those maps/weapons/stories were bugs that were never intended to be packaged with the released content. We removed them so our player can have a more bug-free experience.”

21 dag siden
T H
T H

Its always fun to see Yahtzee fight for things he doesnt believe it, but I think thats what makes these such nice debates Also, weirdly in defense of changing games: does this apply to MMO's? I feel like thats something whose entire culture has developed around constantly patching and advancing content. PvP games as well. But perhaps this is neither here nor there.

21 dag siden
Star Wars Headcanon
Star Wars Headcanon

I find most of these Slighty Civil Wars kind of meh. I don't know what it is about them, like if they're usually too goofy, or the arguments too superficial, or glib, or hyperbolic, or one side seeming more obvious than the other, but for whatever reason this one felt different. This is an important topic and I think you handled it fairly well. Still kinda glib though.

21 dag siden
1300l
1300l

I say no. Rust changed so much that i don't even want to play it anymore

21 dag siden
Pathleader64
Pathleader64

i don't mind the vaulting of content is destiny 2 (i am a player) not everyone has a hard drive that can hold 180 gig of content and it's not being removed they have admitted it may come back

21 dag siden
Ro Ad
Ro Ad

Jack had much better arguments, although Yahtzee you had a good point about time crunch

21 dag siden
xkennyPLx
xkennyPLx

The question became too general. There's not much of an argument here. Obviously, removing content you paid for is bad and adding free content is good.

21 dag siden
bird3713
bird3713

Didn’t World of Warcraft do this with Cataclysm? I actually don’t know for sure- I just remembering hearing that the whole world was upended, so doesn’t that qualify?

21 dag siden
Metronic Magician
Metronic Magician

Even if I didn’t agree with Yahtzee’s side I would still say he won this. Ignoring the fact that the thing being debated is changing games after launch in it’s entirety so siding with Jack would mean games like Minecraft, Terraria, Stardew Valley, and No Man’s Sky wouldn’t really exist. Games that are/were built on continual support wouldn’t exist in this world, and people love those games (even No Man’s Sky). Ignoring all that Jack just doesn’t bring a good concept to the table. Instead of the minor inconvenience and annoyance we have today he would prefer a worse situation than what we have right now where crunch is just way worse and even more ingrained since it would be even more of a requirement that it is now. Congrats to Yahtzee for taking the side that had the big bad on it and somehow ending up looking like the good guy in this.

21 dag siden
A Chubby Gamer Boy
A Chubby Gamer Boy

Honestly bungie gotta point. Destiny 2 is so full of bloated content that nobody plays anymore is just taking space.

21 dag siden
Shawn Beachy
Shawn Beachy

I don't mind updating games, like adding new game + and stuff, but taking stuff out I paid extra for seems unreasonable

21 dag siden
Bugattiboy912
Bugattiboy912

No they shouldn't, but aside from government legislation them it's not gonna happen.

21 dag siden
Nyghtmare6380
Nyghtmare6380

When I got Mercenaries 2 for ps3 because I could use the crazy cheat codes and EA decided to remove the access to them

21 dag siden
RumoTu
RumoTu

Prior to this "release then fix" psychology people was paid to test the game, find and report bugs. Now people are paying to find and report bugs. They are robbing testers from their work.

21 dag siden
Christian Daniel
Christian Daniel

But what if bungee needs the money... to put in a giant swimming pool sized vault to Scrooge McDuck dive into...?

21 dag siden
Kraton Wolf
Kraton Wolf

Why are people combining and mixing two completely different things? New games aren't dlc, and dlc aren't patches/updates, and strictly speaking removing from a game's base content is literally removing from the contractual agreements investors paid for. Before any game design is done a game design document is needed and completed and agreed upon by investors. Before investors agree to pay you money to invest in game development they get to see at least one if not countless game design documents until they see one they agree with, no different than rewriting contracts until both sides agree to all parts of the contract. You CAN'T remove from version 1.0 after that is paid for without literally breaking contract. If devs want to remove DLC that's fine that's their choice. But DLC is anything above version 1.0. you can't release a game as version 1.0 and get people to pay for a complete game only to take them back to version 0.5 or 0.whatever and not give them their money back.

21 dag siden
Bone King
Bone King

this is just the newest straw ive had with bungle and its fanboys. the back of this camel has already been broken and that was when the fanboys cheered to pay $60 for places theyve already been to and enemies theyve already fought. but anyway bungles "season pass" system is 250% borked, if you could access the content they introduced for free then removed it at the end of the season thats one thing. yet bungle FORCES you to pay to access the new content and then it goes away at the end of the season anyway. why they feel the need to fill their vapid zones with things to do then return them to empty spaces again is beyond me and again beyond me that anyone would continue to pay for. other than that person has already surrendered their wallet over to their faaaantastic bungle overlord regardless if anything of value if given in return

21 dag siden
Jonathan Kent
Jonathan Kent

Here's my spicy tikka masala take... Developers can change the game at any time after the point sale... BUT in return, the customer should also be allowed to return their game for a full refund at any time, regardless of how long ago they purchased the game. If they don't like it and try to give Yahtzee's reason of "But we need that money to make other games", all I have to say is "That's the free market, baby". BTW I know, as we all should by now, that the "free market" is bullshit, corporations and the capitalists who own say they want a free market, but what they really want is a market that they themselves completely control, "Freedom for me but not for thee" and all that. Also, the word "ensmallen" is one I need to use more frequently.

21 dag siden
khartog01
khartog01

Deadlines promote crunch. Crunch is bad.

21 dag siden
Steve McCord
Steve McCord

Not only was the D2 content paid for by season pass subscribers but it was paid for by people who bought all of D2's Year One content at launch, only to have them turn around and make all that content Free to Play, and THEN turn around and remove said content. All the "content" they release now is in the form of seasonal content and it's literally THE SAME THING EVERY SEASON with the only difference being that you report to a different NPC vendor. The "story" each season is basically "(insert enemy faction here) is getting rowdy about something or another so go grind out these same few bounties each week to rank up your (insert season here) rank." This game exists entirely in the form of end-game content. Sure you can shell out $60+ for what they're passing off as a "campaign" but you blink and it's over. Then it's just mindlessly grind to try to hit max level and then go to Twitch and watch OTHER PEOPLE do the Raids. I was a die-hard fan of this game for years. I held on for so long. I BEGGED my friends and family to come back to this game, as they had given up long before I did. Even begging, I literally cannot convince ANYONE to play this game. Hell, even with it being Free to Play I can't convince anyone to try it. I dunno who it is that even enjoys this crap. You go on Bungie's own forums and its literally just wave upon wave of people saying all the same stuff that I've said so far. I can't figure out who this game is for. I guess it's for RNG junkies addicted to the slot machine reward mechanics. As for me, this is going to be the first of many expansions that I don't buy.

21 dag siden
Vallejo Mach
Vallejo Mach

I kind of hope this content removal and the sun-setting nonsense bites them on the backside...but it probably won't.

21 dag siden
Paul Bennett
Paul Bennett

Not everyone has bought into digital distribution & streamage - I did download Destiny 2 but only because it was free, so I’ve no cause for complaint (and I only play offline anyway). Can we ask Naughty Dog to patch TLOU2 so we can bypass Abby and just let him transition in peace?

21 dag siden
Eyeball117
Eyeball117

I wonder how much extra they had to pay Yahtzee to defend bungie? Even if it was just for the bit.

21 dag siden
Starbruno769
Starbruno769

Have you ever heard of "games as a service"? They have to change because that's what keeps them running. And bug fixes or other major updates are what give multiple games their replayability. I'm on Yahtzee's side here

21 dag siden
1IGG
1IGG

False dilemma, there is no site. Both, adding and taking away, can be bad (remove paid content, add micro transactions) or good (remove bugs, add good content).

20 dager siden
Noodle the Nerdle
Noodle the Nerdle

In Bungies defense... the game has gotten too big, the file can take up half a consoles memory or a giant chunk of a PC, taking hours to download... the content that's being removed is out of date and not relevant anymore. Plus it's content no one plays unless they want a trip down memory lane or abusing a bug.

21 dag siden
paul warren
paul warren

i like the people on this channel, but gonna unsub without moviebob

21 dag siden
Anonymous Freak
Anonymous Freak

Is it just me, or did neither of them care for their viewpoints? It seemed like both arguments were full of barely-there reasons.

21 dag siden
1IGG
1IGG

Ofc, it's not a black or white issue. Adding new content, fixing bugs is good, taking adding micro transactions to your game after 2 weeks is not. Removing the ability to newly farm content can be okay (Warframe vaults it's frames, kinda like characters, from time to time. Whoever had it before, can still use it, but they don't drop anymore. But instead they have new stuff that drops, so your chance of having all parts of 1 Warframe instead of parts of dozent Warframes where you only have a few parts each but can't combine it to a working Warframe.)

20 dager siden
OxnardMontalvo
OxnardMontalvo

With this specific example everything that's being taken away was made free to play last year. So if anything people should have been refunded last year for buying it before hand. Using arguments from the video. Idont agree with then taking it away or with people getting refunded. The stuff they are removing is frankly lackluster base game stuff that almost killed the game to begin with

21 dag siden
gamerguy235
gamerguy235

I'm sure Yahtzee was more trying to convince himself of his points than convincing Jack....

21 dag siden
Leinad Reign
Leinad Reign

removing paid content is a really dick move. Even if you hide it behind the "service" argument. So you can loose your car, even if you paid for, just because the manufacturer decides you should drive another one this year. Same for adding casino mechanics later on and putting stuff behind that eploitative paywall

21 dag siden
SeRgEaNt RaNdOm
SeRgEaNt RaNdOm

I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned in this debate that some companies like Activision, EA and I think 2K added microtransactions and invasive advertising into games weeks after release so that those negative aspects won't be caught by most game reviewers

21 dag siden
JeepXLC
JeepXLC

i have abandoned destiny 2 since september, for the reasons specified in this video. there's a difference between performing maintenance on a game to improve it, and deleting content.

21 dag siden
Kevin Sheppard
Kevin Sheppard

For me, I don't think they should. The version of Vice City I paid for on Steam had the Lionel Richie and the MJ tracks, now they're gone with the last update 😤

21 dag siden
Jeremy Rotenberg
Jeremy Rotenberg

Idk, I’m in favor of them removing the content. When was the last time I played leviathan? Eater? Spire? Without removing underplayed but space hogging content, the patch size of the game would become completely unmanageable within a year or two. We’ve already seen that with recent mission breaking bugs taking longer to solve, and the ps4 game files are already comically large. I would prefer this over a sequel any day of the week

21 dag siden
Zedrackis
Zedrackis

I feel like this one completely changed topic right at the start. Was that a play on the topic itself. Advertising one topic, and switching to another?

21 dag siden
Mark Frazer
Mark Frazer

I'm surprised they didn't reference one of the episodes of changing a game post-release. No Man Sky. Much improved by that. Yeah, you should get the option, but when one of the selling points of a game like Destiny 2 was its evolving world, you cant complain simply because it evolves away from your desires.

21 dag siden
K
K

No

21 dag siden
Flemmi
Flemmi

paradox interactive changes their games all the time, but you can always patch backwards with the steam beta function. so the early game versions arent lost at all. its just lazy developer who dont do that.

21 dag siden
TheKeeperOfKnowledge
TheKeeperOfKnowledge

I've been watching too much Zero Punctuation. At some point in the video, my mind started to replace mentions of the word "game" with the word "poo". It puts the concept of satisfying releases in a whole new context!

21 dag siden
Stupid Google
Stupid Google

It isn't even a question, anti-consumer bullshit needs to die.

21 dag siden
Modie
Modie

Tbh, I don't really care if there are changes afterwards. Mostly, because they are usually positive. Now, if I was affected by such a negative change, then I would learn my lesson to just not trust this certain developer anymore that they allow me to play the full experience and the next time, I won't buy the game at full price or not at all. There is no "should" or "shouldn't", you as the person have to figure out if you want to support it. It's nothing someone could/should answer for you.

21 dag siden
Jason Blazgk
Jason Blazgk

Just as a bit of feedback, I'm enjoying the addition of the podcast to this series. The split into 2 videos is a further improvement to the format also. It came across a bit unusual having the style switch from a focused animated short to a podcast format.

21 dag siden
Josh
Josh

I believe the podcast was always there. I think you can find a link to the podcast on soundcloud(?) in the older videos

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finalbladecrisis
finalbladecrisis

I have to throw this in here. I play destiny, and have no real issue with the content vaulting, with the condition that bungie sticks to what they said about it not being a permenant thing, and the content in question will return over time. But we shall see.

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InvaderJas1
InvaderJas1

i say allow change, the big complaint here being shit being removed, well they can add it all back in and listen to their customers. there's more pros than cons with changes being allowed

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Tim West
Tim West

im in favor of removal so long as there is fair compensation .

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King2084
King2084

Instantly thought of bf5 when I saw the title

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King2084
King2084

for whatever reason it said my 1st comment didn’t go through thanks for the heads up

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Nathan Williamson
Nathan Williamson

You commented twice.

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DoomBloomers
DoomBloomers

I avoid the issue by not buying into modern gaming.

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Marcos Ruiz
Marcos Ruiz

Aye mate i too sail the migthy seas

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Unknown Tornado
Unknown Tornado

You’re missing out man

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VeritabIlIti
VeritabIlIti

Jack could have made such a better argument if he actually knew anything about whats going on with D2...

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Fayt
Fayt

The biggest issue is adding mtx/adverts after the reviews have passed and people have bought the game already.

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Gaias Rebirth
Gaias Rebirth

1. The titel is different from the actual topic of the talkin... 2. I don't support early access games, cause you never know if the developer even finishes the game after 5-7 years of more development...

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HoundOfwar1
HoundOfwar1

See the thing is even when Yahtzee is arguing something he doesn't like, he's just so much better at arguing than Jack. He's just incredibly good at getting an argument across

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Sublime D
Sublime D

he has made a career about it... Zero Punctuation has been built on that...

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fish4198
fish4198

Bungie did the exact same thing with the first Destiny game. I remember getting pretty annoyed that I couldn't access certain maps and content anymore and made a point of never buying anything from anti-consumer Bungie ever again. Sounds like I made the right choice considering they're up to their same tricks with the sequel.

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Rick Miles
Rick Miles

This is a weird one, and not as clean as it seems. The specific example given "Destiny 2" needs a certain density of players to be playable. Temporarily sealing away sections of content can help to keep people playing together, albeit artificially. If the game had player numbers the size of WoW that may not be necessary but this game's numbers are not that.

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delusionnnnn
delusionnnnn

I had to stop listening to Slightly Civil War a while back due to the artificiality of "good points on both sides" framing of "randomly assigning the for or against position". I'm glad you started posting the followup discussion on youtube where nobody's forced to argue a position they don't agree with. I can get back on board for that, thanks!

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Omega Zero
Omega Zero

in defense of Bungie and Bungie specifically deleting content from what I understand techinqually speaking that content and most of Base Destiny 2 was made using wrong coding ai spaghetti code which is code that just works however removing or altering one piece of this code could/will lead to destruction and breaking of something else. For example the first raid of Destiny 2 the Leviathan is right now bugged and sometimes you can't start the first encounter how this bug was achieved ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. That and Bungie is doing some stuff to the physics engine along with how missions are created and run so if they kept all the content they would need to make sure that all the content for the past 3 years works with the new alterations to the engine. Any other Dev unless they have the same spagetthi code issue should be yelled at and denied the ability to remove non seasonal content.

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Patrick Zysk
Patrick Zysk

I think that games should be able to make changes to the game, as long as the user is allowed to download old versions where the content still exists. Maybe you can't use items or whatever from the old patches in the current supported version, but the old content should at least be there if you would like to see it. Minecraft is a great example. They replaced the classic Zombie Pigman enemy with a new piggy enemy in a recent patch. However, if you love the Zombie Pigman and can't bear to play Minecraft without it, the old versions of the game are still available for the user to download.

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