Super Mario Galaxy vs Super Mario Sunshine | Slightly Civil War

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ZenithArt07
ZenithArt07

Adding the podcast section is a good move, nice one Escapist x

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Teras_Kasi
Teras_Kasi

For a moment I thought it read "Fart From The Fartist".

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The Escapist
The Escapist

@HastyChester We really can't, the debate section just doesn't work without the animation like the just chatting part of the podcast does.

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HastyChester
HastyChester

Would it be feasible to also add the debate portion to the SoundCloud? I promise that I'll still stop by here to leave likes and enjoy the animation.

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Just F0ll0ws
Just F0ll0ws

I recommend Nick over Bob lol

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Verbugter Herr der Dunkelheit
Verbugter Herr der Dunkelheit

Give Mario a Pogo-Stick. A better gimmic couldn't Mario ever get!

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Densoro
Densoro

I prefer Sunshine for the same reason I love Jet Set Radio: immersive, sprawling levels with more than just the ‘required’ platforms to reach the level exit. You’re encouraged to explore, experiment with different vantage points, and eventually use your expansive movement tech to sequence break your way around the level. Galaxy was just too cramped and linear for me. The planets all want you to finish your business and fuck off ):

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Zikari SG
Zikari SG

Odyssey is the best 3D Mario game! Currently going through 3D All Starts. Sunshine is yankier than I remember from the Game Cube, 64 is more precise than I remember from the N64 and I nevre had a Wii, so Galaxy is new for me and I love it, a bit easy though...

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August Gardener
August Gardener

Is anybody else exited about Super Mario Kingd—

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Dab dab
Dab dab

This "debate" sucked

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Done with Suboxone Forever
Done with Suboxone Forever

Galaxy is the best, but Sunshine is good because I like the challenge in the artificial difficulty

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Hehemhem
Hehemhem

Galaxy!

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Luke Emberson
Luke Emberson

We all know the answer to this one, 64 is easily the best 3d mario platformer. There is nothing like it whatsoever.

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Nadodan .Nadodan
Nadodan .Nadodan

Baby Bowser's delivery would have probably been pretty smooth. He's a Turtle, so he would have been an egg that hatched into a spikey guy. Also if we're talking about weird lore introduced by the games, how about the fact that Rosalina basically tells you the Mario Universe just ends from time to time to be reborn slightly differently? and that combined with the story book implies that Rosalina is the daughter of someone who looks a lot like Princess Peach from a really old cycle, a cycle in which that woman (Who could be Peach) ended up dead and under a tree when her daughter was still quite young. Also personally I think Mario Sunshine is a better sequel to Mario 64, those two games have better openworld explorable level areas, while Galaxy is more of the start of moving toward the more linear ways of 3D mario, there's still open areas, but those areas are mostly links in a chain in a overall linear level. So Sunshine is better for exploring around while Galaxy is more for straight run throughs

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Majin Leutice
Majin Leutice

See I didn't play these games when they first came out. I played Sunshine and Galaxy the first time two weeks ago on the switch version. I played 64 years ago when I was like 12 on a pc emulator. Then played it to 102 stars on switch again to get back into it. Sunshine feels good on the hands, as does Galaxy I enjoy both. But Galaxy I can play in longer binges. While Sunshine has longer missions and is more exhausting. I'd prefer Galaxy over them mostly because I'll play longer, and it doesn't have the dreaded pachinko machine.

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Max Powers
Max Powers

My only criticism about galaxy is that it is too easy, pretty much that’s it sunshine is really flawed but I feel as if I actually accomplished something , you actually have to work to get that 100% and you feel good for doing so as if you mastered something. Galaxy I pretty much effortlessly got all 120 stars, and I just thought, eh. I mean it is a good game it is very much a well orchestrated well dramatized game that lacks any awkward moments, unlike sunshine in which every cutscene feels awkward and janky, but you know that game has challenge towards it. Just giving you that feeling that you did something worth awhile

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Max Powers
Max Powers

My only criticism about galaxy is that it is too easy, pretty much that’s it sunshine is really flawed but I feel as if I actually accomplished something , you actually have to work to get that 100% and you feel good for doing so as if you mastered something. Galaxy I pretty much effortlessly got all 120 stars, and I just thought, eh. I mean it is a good game it is very much a well orchestrated well dramatized game that lacks any awkward moments, unlike sunshine in which every cutscene feels awkward and janky, but you know that game has challenge towards it.

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Tim
Tim

Hey it's bald Jaymike!

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Whalerguy
Whalerguy

Yahtzee: rails against all games becoming open world. Yahtzee: you know what would be a good direction for the next Mario game...

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alldayagain
alldayagain

Mario Tentpole Game? Oh, he means a Mario Gammon-Soiree

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Nereza
Nereza

I think games like sunshine is going to appeal more to people in winter climates. The last thing I want during a cold depressing winter is winter stages... I appreciate sunshine because it set in the tropics. The water looks inviting and colourful and everything you can see in the distance you can get to. And you get a sense of catharsis seeing the world get brighter and more friendly towards you. I like it.

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First Last
First Last

While I can acknowledge that Mario Galaxy is a better made game I don't find it as fun to play because Mario's movement just feels way slower and stiffer compared to sunshine. I also hate how restrictive the camera controls are in Galaxy. I'm also one of those weirdos that actually likes the blue coins in Sunshine because I enjoy exploration a lot (something you don't do a lot of in Galaxy). I do concede that they are not easy to track and thats my only real problem with them as a mechanic, but overall I like the idea of a secondary currency reserved for smaller objectives and think Odyssey would have benefitted a lot from a secondary currency to make moons feel a bit more valuable (since like 3/4 of the moons in Odyssey just feel like glorified blue coins anyway). I also prefer the more cohesive feeling of Sunshine's world compared to galaxy, Galaxy feels like a bunch of random shit floating in the middle of nowhere. You can see several other levels in any level you enter and that goes a long way to making the world feel more natural and lived in. As far as 100 coins go, I think like half of Galaxy's purple coin levels (the timed ones) are better than Sunshine's, but the other half are imo are far worse and more tedious. To elaborate in a 100 coin mission in sunshine there are more than 100 coins, in timed purple coin missions, theres usually more than 100 purple coins, but in all of the non-timed ones there are only 100 coins and if you miss one you gotta scour the whole level to find that one coin. In Sunshine there are more than 100 coins so its not as much scouring (even though some missions don't have 100 coins , which is dumb, it is usually obvious at a glance that there aren't 100 coins in a given episode) As far as filler goes, I already discussed blue coins, but the bonus levels in Sunshine are mostly pretty painless with a couple SIGNIFICANT exceptions namely the lilypad red coin mission, and the pachinko machine which are absolutely indefensible garbage levels that control like shit. However I think Prankster comets in galaxy are a worse overall form of filler because a lot of them just force you to replay the same exaxt levels again with little to nothing changed. The worst offenders are the speedy comets that literally have nothing changed except a time limit. The best ones are probably the cosmic races because they usually have some minor changes to the levels and make you replay smaller portions of levels. And the other bonus stars in galaxy that i think are garbage are the trials galaxies because they aren't hard for being a well designed platforming challenge, they're hard because the motion controls are gimmicky and feel like ass (which is the same complaint I have about the Pachinko and lilypad that feel hard because they control like shit). So overall I think Sunshine's optional content is more fun for me. When it comes to level variety Galaxy has the obvious edge over Sunshine, but I can still criticize that there are several levels that feel very similar to other levels in the same game, for example Gold Leaf Galaxy feels very similar to Honeyhive and its starting planet is quite literally EXACTLY the same as honeyhive's, just mirrored. And every star in dreadnaught galaxy feels like a retread of Battlerock galaxy with the only exception being the first star. The other 5 are basically just harder versions of Battlerock Galaxy stars. I have more gripes with Galaxy, but this comment is long enough as it is. Galaxy is not a bad game, but it is my least favorite 3D Mario Galaxy 2 made a lot of improvements, 3D land and world were better because they actually knew what they wanted to be instead of trying to toe the line between course clear and mission based 3D Mario. Feel free to disagree with me, my word isn't gospel or anything, this is just a rando's opinion on the internet.

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Listless Wither
Listless Wither

I think the switch "2" would most likely called deluxe and they'll tie in all the deluxe games with some random upgrade such as Mario Kart 8 getting 4 player being 60 fps and things like that. The name deluxe makes sense in comparison to the lite as its basically the opposite. I think people who say a switch 2 without a handheld version would step on the toes of Microsoft and Sony is a very strange mindset as the switch 2 would most likely not be powerful enough to compete even with the PS4 in terms of power but it would be enough of an upgrade to prevent it from being able to be handheld.

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Kirk Neely
Kirk Neely

Please don’t kill me. But also please make that Mario game.

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Wide And Nerdy
Wide And Nerdy

"I guess we can get Moviebob in some time." I guess Yahtzee didn't know what was going to happen to Moviebob. At least not two weeks ago.

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Josh McKenzie
Josh McKenzie

Well if that's not the next Mario I'm going to be disappointed

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George Keagle
George Keagle

I'm trying to get through galaxy now. It's easily one of the least fun mario games I've played up there with nsmbu

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SqualidsargeStudios
SqualidsargeStudios

Sunshine all the way

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merk hewrt
merk hewrt

I would love to see skill based matchmaking civil war

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Zippy Dastrange
Zippy Dastrange

If Sunshine had the powerups of Galaxy I'd die happy. But I kind of dislike both for different reasons, hated the power ups in Mario 64.

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Toad Man But musical
Toad Man But musical

Yahtzee wins because I said. Mario galaxy is the best Mario game ever don’t @ me.

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The Jon Brown Show
The Jon Brown Show

It's like if you give zero punctuation... Punctuation

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Michael Schwader
Michael Schwader

Things I missed in Sunshine: 1.) Back flip 2.) Long jump 3.) Punch/Kick

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Waffletigercat
Waffletigercat

If you really feel you need a break from the core gameplay, you can just NOT PLAY THE GAME FOR A WHILE. I will never, ever, ever, EVER understand that argument in favor of including multiple gameplay styles and/or tons of minigames.

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DeQuillsta
DeQuillsta

I think a Super Mario Archipelago could be interesting, where you're island hopping between smaller, interconnected islands that radiate out from a central hub island. Who knows, maybe they could bring back Isle Delfino as the hub, but change it up a bit, and modernise it.

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grizzlyhamster
grizzlyhamster

Jack, can you get Rich Evans to come and do some of these for a three-way debate?

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Jared Armstrong
Jared Armstrong

I think that Sunshine is much more memorable to me and stands out much more than Galaxy. For all of the wonderment of Galaxy, it does have a lot of sections that I struggle to remember. I can remember just about everything in Sunshine, all the worlds, the sandbird, the eels at the bottom of Noki bay, the haunted mystery motel, etc. I’d say the main difference between Galaxy and Sunshine is that Sunshine is like Disney World, you have a bunch of very memorable moments there, not everything is super great, but you have some downtime to enjoy everything if you pace yourself out. Galaxy is like just going on a bunch of rollercoasters, it’s all on rails, you have pretty good bursts of fun, but then it all starts to blur together after awhile.

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Bob Tom
Bob Tom

Sunshine...but only because it was on Gamecube. I won't lie, I have a bias for Gaemcube games, so so Sunshine all the way...

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Alastair Keith-Lucas
Alastair Keith-Lucas

Protip: Play at 1.5 playback speed if you're used to Yahtzee's Zero Punctuation cadence

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Joseph Burch
Joseph Burch

I feel like it was the frame rate that was most disappointing about sunshine

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max mus
max mus

Y'know i think we managed without moviebob. We dont need to bother him. Best course of action really

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SaberRusty
SaberRusty

Peach doesn't confirm or deny what Bowser Jr. says, she seems pretty confused by it.

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King Arthur Pendragon13
King Arthur Pendragon13

Mario galaxy 2 is better than all of them

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SWISS1337
SWISS1337

I like Yahtzee, but seeing his real face I was disappointed... Where be your hat!

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Mittens FastPaw
Mittens FastPaw

I really want to get into these but their heart is just never in what they are defending.

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LordiFuzz
LordiFuzz

The thing is, I had fun with sunshine and galaxy, but the only game that made me come back years later to play again was sunshine. Something about galaxy was just less memorable, compared to sunshine. I can't put my finger on it but even during the animated portion I couldn't remember galaxy as well as I could remember sunshine, despite putting more time overall into galaxy.

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John Keller
John Keller

i really wish that Jack Packard was a better debater. There are really good, simple arguments that he could make...but never does.

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John Keller
John Keller

@SqualidsargeStudios well, for starters? While both were 3D Marios, Galaxy's use of my gravity shifting perspectives made it harder to control. Say what you want about FLUDD, but at least it controlled well. It was intuitive and easy to use. When gravity shifts, the camera's sudden shifting can make it hard to tell where you are going or how you can go ina given direction. Innovative design is let down when the controls cant keep up with the innovation. Second, while Galaxy's is lauded as the better game...can you picture any of its stages clearly in your head? The mish mash of planets and shapes made Galaxy less memorable and less easy to get comfortable with. By contrast, I can remember Isle Delfino as clearly as I can remember Peach's castle. Gone are days of the powerups that are fun and useful; Galaxy's powerups are reduced to mechanics to enable clearing a stage and add nothing to the individual stages. By contrast, if you wanted to explore a stage and look for secrets? Any of the nozzles might be able to assist you in exploration. They were things you got to have fun with....as opposed to Galaxy's, whete they're just part if a check list.

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SamTheSclam
SamTheSclam

There’s a lot of humor coming from the lack of preparation that I really like

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SqualidsargeStudios
SqualidsargeStudios

Simple arguments like what?

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Oda Swifteye
Oda Swifteye

I remember not liking the Fludd machine really early on but all the fluddless levels did was convince me that not having it would be worse and with the power-ups the fludd machine actually becomes more fun than just using standard Mario. When Mario Galaxy came out I just felt like I had played enough of Mario. Mario Sunshine just needed to retain one of Mario's melee attacks and the power ups needed to be unlocked earlier in the game but other than that. I dunno, I think it's better than Galaxy. Galaxy is nicer looking but it's also less consistent. Delphino is a lot more consistent design wise.

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Ikeshrafter
Ikeshrafter

Sure wish I could've watched this on the website but your video player doesn't work :)

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Johan Jansen van Rensburg
Johan Jansen van Rensburg

I think Galaxy is way better

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Cole Diggins
Cole Diggins

What if they called Odyssey's sequel Super Mario Iliad

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Carver6661313
Carver6661313

if they used different 'suits' the frog suit would be exclusive to pre-ordering at one store, and the cape suit would be exclusive to pre-ordering from another store, and the tanuki suit would be exclusive to the ultimate edition which has to be bought directly from nintendo and none of the other store. that way to get everything you need 3 copies (or pay $9.99 after a year to buy them as DLC)

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time soldier
time soldier

Sunshine most non-mario game. This is great if I don`t like pure jump Mario

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philip dandridge
philip dandridge

Nnnnnnoooooooooooo!!! Don't make us look at your faces, I prefer you as poorly animated figures!!

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chinchillacat
chinchillacat

Despite being a more difficult game as well as weird and janky in places, Sunshine is better and Galaxy is worse for the following reasons: - The fixed and often very awkward camera in Galaxy was reminiscent of 64. Awful in comparison to Sunshine.  - The levels in Galaxy, while novel and interesting, felt tiny and empty compared to Sunshine. There's nothing to explore and it's extremely linear. - The compulsory motion control levels (blowing the bubble and standing on top of the ball) are terrible and daresay even worse on Switch than they were on the Wii. - The "gravity" on the planetoids rarely makes any sense, and coupled with the bad camera, it creates a poor platforming experience. - The new power ups in Galaxy are lame. The spring power up, in particular, is horrific to control. - The hub world in Galaxy is annoying to traverse especially when it comes to getting all of the prankster comet stars, having to go back to the purple Luma every time to get him to "move" the comets to get them to spawn in is aggravating and artificially lengthens the game.

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Garret Gervais
Garret Gervais

Stopped reading when you said the camera is worse in Galaxy. That's just ridiculous.

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PJ Dougherty
PJ Dougherty

Mario Galaxy has a lot of great lore. Rosalina’s entire backstory, the origin of the power stars, the entire universe being reborn at the end. It’s brilliant!

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Scott Robert Galanes-Rosenbaum Lawrence
Scott Robert Galanes-Rosenbaum Lawrence

This is what makes me think Yahtzee never actually played Galaxy. There's a whole bit about suspect parentage in Rosalina's story too.

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The Fighter
The Fighter

It's really weird how galaxy 2 has suddenly been forgotten when it is a much better game than Galaxy 1 and Sunshine.

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Leavesofecstasy
Leavesofecstasy

Jack: “I’m sure they’ve found a fix for the motion controls in Mario Galaxy” Me: Looks to camera

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EATz
EATz

? You just press y

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Ash B
Ash B

Not to be that guy, but you can’t have a “best” out of two choices. One is simply “better” than the other. You need three or more choices in order for one of them to be considered the “best” out of the lot.

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Dekaku
Dekaku

good thing that 3d allstars comes with 3 games. By agreeing that Mario64 is not the best game of the package, they can reduce it to either sunshine or galaxy.

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manybalby
manybalby

Galaxy, in my opinion, is way too linear. It's just jumping from planet to planet. I always end up getting bored of it and stop playing.

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epic gizmo
epic gizmo

the koopalings they all turned out alright in the end me- oh when they got knocked into lava and burned to death yatzee

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BORN IN THE RIGHT GENERATION, NOT AFRAID TO SAY IT.
BORN IN THE RIGHT GENERATION, NOT AFRAID TO SAY IT.

So I guess I'm the only Galaxy fan here?

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Metazoxan Dexall
Metazoxan Dexall

I think it's more that since Galaxy is the more recent and more popular game no one feels the need to comment much on it. Sunshine is more the unappreciated one with good points that go unnoticed espcially by those that didn't grow up with it.

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Leavesofecstasy
Leavesofecstasy

Not at all! I tried Sunshine for like 40 minutes and hated the controls so much I had to quit, Galaxy is so much better, even with the Wii controls they left in

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Varsoon HKS
Varsoon HKS

Galaxy's the better game.

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DEATHxTHExKIDx1
DEATHxTHExKIDx1

I got the 3D-collection so I could Play Galaxy because I never have. I just got all 120stars in Mario64. Sunshine is my Favorite 3DMario as of now tho.

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Chris Swanson
Chris Swanson

It is so weird to hear Yahtzee speak in a normal cadence

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Northern Lefty
Northern Lefty

Galaxy beats sunshine for me. I dont like the controls for sunshine on switch.

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The Lost One
The Lost One

I love sunshine

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Cristian Rosario
Cristian Rosario

Mmo mario?

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Jonathan Rodd
Jonathan Rodd

Is anyone else ever disappointed anytime they see a video or photo of Yahtzee in real life and he's not wearing a hat? :(

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R. L. Royall, Jr.
R. L. Royall, Jr.

Galaxy was just as fun as Sunshine but the Wii pointer gimmick was always awkward for me. Say what you will about the GameCube, the controller was basically the best thing Nintendo ever invented. So Sunshine just edges Galaxy out in my opinion.

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Henrique Ourives
Henrique Ourives

Both games could be nominees for "best game", although they have very different qualities. I think it comes down to a person's personality whether they prefer Sunshine or Galaxy.

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Thomas te Groen
Thomas te Groen

Sunshine's levels felt more grounded and detailed than most other Mario games. The fact it takes place on one island and goes to different locales on that island does it credit. You go to the resort hotel, and it feels like a resort hotel, bathrooms and all. You go to the theme park, and it feels like a theme park. You go to high cliffs with ancient ruins, a sunny beachside where they make melon juice, a lake with windmills and plants, a harbor with ships and octopi. The whole island feels fleshed out and explored. No two areas feel the same, and they have added a lot of details they didn't need to add. In contrast, Galaxy's levels always feel like a mess. They're so abstract that you can add virtually anything to a Galaxy level and it makes sense. "This one has cubes, and ghosts, and robots, and spikey plants, etc. etc." It doesn't feel like the galaxy they establish is really explored. It's just vast, with an unlimited number of worlds that all seem to blend together visually. And to be fair, that makes each level fresh and you feel like you could just keep playing them forever. But the setting outside of the hub world isn't immersive at all, and leaves it all up to the gameplay, which Sunshine competes with well, considering a lot of the mechanics started in Sunshine then moved to Galaxy. Just my 2 cents.

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Console Warriors
Console Warriors

To answer the old maternity argument: The Yoshi games confirm the stork is the source of babies in the Mario universe. Its not a biological thing so in truth she COULDVE been his mom but isn't. The stork just delivered Jr to Bowser with no mother (though now Bowser kidnaps Peach so she'll be Jr's mom as well as conquering the kingdom)

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Thomas Stewart
Thomas Stewart

Galaxy takes mario to the far ends of the universe, and still feels like less of an exotic location than some island that got dirty. Galaxy had all of the innovation of spherical planets and shaped gravity, and then included WAY too many segments where gravity only points in one direction. Galaxy gave mario the freedom to run in infinite new directions, but then railroaded him into linear sequences of gameplay. Sunshine had stunningly beautiful set pieces that made sense in their setting and didn't look like Mcdonalds toys. Sunshine had fantastic level design that allowed for creative players to find shortcuts. Sunshine had a genius approach to the problem of depth perception with the heat distortion filter applied at a set distance from Mario to show how far you can jump. the main thing I fault sunshine for are the "Pure Platforming" segments. giving a player a gimmick to define the moveset and then taking that gimmick away is stupid. and yet, the same mistake is made in galaxy with some segments that fail to use shaped gravity entirely. In my opinion, Galaxy may be a more popular game, but sunshine gets hate for the wrong reasons, and the "Pure Platforming" parts that people seem to like about it have no place in the game at all, and are the only thing that holds mario sunshine back from being the better game.

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Night Cat
Night Cat

Has it been determined yet whether Mario actually exists or is merely some kind of inflatable disguise organ evolved by the parasitic hat in order to appear human?

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Sunny DTGM
Sunny DTGM

*'The woodpeckers are back..'*

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Benji Guy
Benji Guy

I love how every civil war that yahtzee meantions a game he reviewed he uses some of the same lines from said review like calling Mario maker Mario for the blue collar individual, really makes you realize that he meant what he said

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ty1298
ty1298

Wellp "Full deck of mustangs" is in my vernacular now.

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Steve McLeave
Steve McLeave

Did- did people actually like the platforming parts of sunshine? Sunshine had literally so much other beautiful and fun aspects of it. Why the parts that threw you into a fit of rage

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Turbo Ninja
Turbo Ninja

Galaxy's swimming tho...

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Novus Talks
Novus Talks

Galaxy is a masterpiece and sunshine is a disaster that Nintendo should be sued over

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Novus Talks
Novus Talks

Oda Swifteye yes it is.

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Oda Swifteye
Oda Swifteye

Are you on meth? Mario Sunshine isn't perfect but it's not THAT bad!

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accquizzer
accquizzer

I believe Yahtzee said in his original review of Super Mario Galaxy: "What's next? Super Mario Universe?!"

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Doktor Vem
Doktor Vem

I'm pretty dissapointed that nobody brought up the fact that Sunshine gave us a canon mario weight, which atleast in my opinion makes it a far superior game, because *KNOWLEDGE IS POWER*

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Danny Mexen
Danny Mexen

50 minutes? There goes my school assignment

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Purlsama
Purlsama

Oh my gosh. I love both of you but so often in these videos it feels like Yahtzee is being a bully against an unarmed opponent. He didn't even mention how forgettable and throw away all lot of the stage gimmicks were in Galaxy. Oh well. Great job, fun video as always. May come back and listen to the podcast later.

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BlueWord
BlueWord

Galaxy knows when to move on from an idea, Sunshine does not. If Fludd were in Galaxy it would have been an idea for a mechanic in one level. But in Sunshine they made an entire game around it, and with varying results.

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VeNoMziV
VeNoMziV

Tbh ive played the shit out of galaxy 1 & 2 and did not even recall the gravity effects until mentioned but sunshine that game is a stunner everything about that game was pitch perfect, galaxy is great but to me doesnt hold a candle to sunshine

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The cult of Rick Astley
The cult of Rick Astley

VeNoMziV what sunshine had some of the unfair level in any Mario game Lily pad level corona Mountain for example

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spooky shaggy
spooky shaggy

Super mario galaxy was my first 3d mario since 64 and Ive always wanted to play super mario sunshine.

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Simon Singh
Simon Singh

Barry Kramer did a video about this very topic (focusing mainly on Galaxy and how it sits in the suite of Mario games) which is well worth a watch, very entertaining.

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bob steel
bob steel

Kingdom: Kingdom Building as you liberate the other islands. The more you build your kingdom , the more technology they research (your different suits / boots). Possibly they also create new platforms to previously inaccessable areas / platforms that create shortcuts to previously difficult to reach areas, or expanding the pipe system.

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Wally Copoli
Wally Copoli

So Mario 3D Maker is going to be Death Stranding 2

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Alex Harrison
Alex Harrison

What you end up describing is a Lego game! Almost. You need to unlock chracters with different ability to get through certain bits of the maps! And an instant swap ability...

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Mitchel Raziel
Mitchel Raziel

Everybody: Ya! Mario! Argue his arms off! Me: I have never played either of these games. Can I listen to see If I want to? Everybody: Get 'um! You two! Keep arguing!

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Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo Baggins

I've heard Miyamoto spent the first months on Mario 64 just making sure Mario felt fun to move around as, and I believe it. Sunshine kept the same snappy controls and refined them. Maneuvering Mario around with or without FLUUD was still inherently fun, regardless of the environment. Galaxy 1 and 2 feel like the controls took a huge step backwards. Even on completely flat, non-gravity-altered level segments, Mario feels... neutered. Slower, floatier, less acrobatic. Fewer movement options, less momentum. Not counting the spin. The spin is a pretty decent move, actually. Overall though, it's hard to compare the two games when they're so functionally different. Sunshine is a sandbox objective-based game with a lot of issues in how it handles exploration and collecting, while Galaxy is basically a course clear game that's pretending it isn't a course clear game and suffers for lack of cohesion.

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Zidane Tribal
Zidane Tribal

I’ll use Yahtzee’s own words to describe why Sunshine is better. It has a jet pack

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Shiknobi
Shiknobi

Come on Jack, you can't utter the word 'goo' around Yahtzee without expecting a spunk joke

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Zack Efret
Zack Efret

The subects of these debates gets dumber each time...

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TheCreepypro
TheCreepypro

I've only played galaxy so I'm extremely biased but I have seen multiple videos on sunshine and I have yet to see any good reason why I would want to play it I just don't see any incentive I'm going to play it one day cause I want to play all the mario games and it is one of the few I haven't played but I'm in no rush to play it

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vazak11
vazak11

Great video, love the hypothetical.

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Timo Kampwerth
Timo Kampwerth

Lost track of the difference between Horace and Doris about 34 seconds into the aftershow podcast.

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masterYoshimistsu
masterYoshimistsu

Sunshine is better than Galaxy simply because Sunshine has Yoshi while Galaxy they had to make a sequel in order to add Yoshi. There! I win.

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Brian Beswick
Brian Beswick

I like you guys, but... when you put war in the title of a show, there’s a expectation. This isn’t slightly civil disagreement. Dish out some burns. You don’t have to full Sherman on each other, but stop being a bunch of McClellans and give us a bit of Grant vs Lee!

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Depthman32
Depthman32

Galaxy has horrible camera control

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Depthman32
Depthman32

Lol heres a twist for you timetravel Rosalia is peach and Luigis daughter from a different time line

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deadfrogfoot
deadfrogfoot

sunshine hands down. Finished galaxy 100% a few times, have finished galaxy ones. didnt help that galaxy was on the will and the controllers were a bit wacky, even more so galaxy 2 on the wii u (didnt even finish it, hatted the controls for the wii u)

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