A Second Opinion on Google Stadia & Cloud Gaming | The Escapist Show

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    This week on The Escapist Show, Jack has been playing some Breakpoint and Rocket League, while Nick took a little break from gaming. We also took a second look at Google Stadia after the ZP review earlier this year and Nick has some new thoughts on Cloud Gaming.
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    The games we've been playing - 0:00 - 9:04
    Cloud gaming discussion - 9:05 - 26:44
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Ben King
Ben King

i'll be honest, my brain kinda turned to mush trying to following how each cloud console service works compared to the other and then the Luna section kinda killed me.

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Night Cat
Night Cat

They say you don't need a lot of bandwidth, but I'm on a 13/1meg line & it's not possible to use these streaming services at all. Stadia simply wouldn't work reliably, GeForce Now did work (and has a far better business model) but everything was so muddy and smeared in first person stuff that there was no way to see what was going on. The latency was very noticeable too (like half a second for some reason) but that wasn't even the main problem. I'd imagine if you're a lot closer to one of their server clusters or only play slow paced retro pixel type games then you'd be okay on the lower end of the bandwidth, otherwise no, but those retro styled games don't need a lot of hardware anyway so it sort of kills its own purpose for existing. Goobia is a far better name though & they need to rebrand to that.

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NekoiNemo
NekoiNemo

That whole Nvidia not being able to play some games - pure greed. There's not even a place to discuss it - it's just greed. The way nvidia's service works is that they effectively provide you with a virtual PC where you login into your own Steam library and play the games you OWN. It is not any different from you buying a, say, laptop and playing your Steam library from it. But some scumbag developers/publishers see it as a way to fleece some additional money from either Nvidia or customer, so they take that opportunity. It's the exact same shite they tried to pull about 10 years ago, remember, when some games you BOUGHT had limited amount of installations available (3 or 5 usually) before you wouldn't be able to play the game you bought anymore.

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vincentmuyo
vincentmuyo

Will Google kill Stadia though? They have a long history of doing that kind of stuff...

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Ric Tone
Ric Tone

I cover stadia. I stream it, it's my main console. It works. My entire channel is based on that. Stop worrying about game ownership. The cloud isn't going anywhere unless there's an apocalypse. Pro is for 4k and free games. Its less games than game pass but that won't last forever. Free service, AAA titles, what's not to like.

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Ric Tone
Ric Tone

@Peter Korman not gonna happen. Google doesn't kill user based products. Do your research.

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Peter Korman
Peter Korman

We aren’t worried about the cloud going away, we’re worried about Google killing Stadia in a couple years because nobody uses it.

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TheCreepypro
TheCreepypro

I hadn't realized how far cloud gaming has come overtime and I still can't decide if it is a good thing or a bad thing

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Christian Schweda
Christian Schweda

Same here.

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Majdi Jarrar
Majdi Jarrar

Is this the same guy from RedLetterMedia??

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Tommy Salty
Tommy Salty

I enjoy my Escapist subscription, the jokes run really smoothly.

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SeanBahamut
SeanBahamut

So many subscription costs now. Its easy to sign up to these and lose sight of just how much your outgoings become. Personally I'll stick to just Game Pass with XCloud. The other services all have their merits bit aren't worth the additional spend

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Khrashing Phantom
Khrashing Phantom

The Google Stadia and "Cloud" or "Streaming" gaming is an absolute farce! I genuinely hope this doesn't become the primary method in which gaming is presented and consumed. Hard copies will ALWAYS be superior to any form of streaming and the moment that disappears, gaming will fall into an elitist and exclusionary mess, which is the exact opposite of what it was in it's inception. This is especially true for console gaming. I can't be the only one who feels this way.

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TheVanHydra
TheVanHydra

That comparison between GFnow and Stadia is never made about NEW games. It's always the collection of games you already own and most of them will never get played again. If you compare CP2077 as a new game to be released on Steam / GFnow and Stadia, you must buy it anyways. So if you intend to stream it, just can just buy it on stadia as you would on steam - stream it as you like without any additional cost. On GeforceNow you will need the subscription because the free thing is not something you are able to use seriously.

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Nudelaug Binideppat
Nudelaug Binideppat

Jack is such a savage! The intro had me crying. XD

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zero0chill#6777
zero0chill#6777

I feel Google's pricing model to be the easiest to understand. If you get the Pro sub, you have access to a game play of up to 4k60fps (as long as the Game Dev has designed it to be so), as well surround sound with a monthly offering of free games you can claim. Originally it was supposed to be 1 game per month, but as an incentive Stadia has been offering 3+ games per month. I am sure this will change afterwards, which I would be OK with, since that was the original plan as it were. On the free side, you get 1080p @ 60fps plus stereo sound. There was minor game sales, howerver you can buy any game on the service and play it/them for as long as you want. There is no extra fee to play online or multiplayer on Free or Pro Stadia. This recently became obvious to me when I gifted my 8 year old with a Nintendo switch and Rocket League. Had to pay $34 per year so he can play it, i know there is an individual monthly plan, but the family pricing is the better option, even though he is the only one with a Nintendo console in the house. The Pro games rotate out, but if you claimed them, you keep them as long as your sub is active. If you cancel and re-sub again, those claimed games come back to your library. the only thing will be any games that you did not claim because your sub was cancelled cannot be claimed if they already rotated out of the Pro sub. This is a key difference between Stadia's offering and xCloud & Luna. As i understand it, for the sub price you get this whole library, but if you are in the middle of play "Game X", and "Game X" is slated to come out of the rotation, you are pretty much SOL unless you purchase the game, which at this point Luna has not offered clarification on whether this is going to be allowed yet.

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Jonathan Rodd
Jonathan Rodd

I still buy the cartridges for my switch too. Unless it's a game thats only available online, or if there's just a huge discount for the digital version that can't be ignored. But the majority of my games are physical cartridges.

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Jonathan Rodd
Jonathan Rodd

I love Jack's tone while Nick talked about the Halo novels. Jack: "yeah"... "sure"... *dispassionate head nod*

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MrMerlin1896
MrMerlin1896

Googia: you know, that legendary from Pokemon: the Movie 2020

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Cloud Gaming Xtreme
Cloud Gaming Xtreme

Cloud Gaming has come along way in under a year, Stadia was early and still has the best tech, but not the greatest library, Xcloud, Luna, GeForce Now all have different business models but all validate what Stadia is doing, people never believed Stadia and Cloud Gaming would succeed until Microsoft and Amazon also jumped on board

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Jorae Reegers
Jorae Reegers

Don't feel bad about the reading part, NIck (well, we should), but I too finally finished my first Novel since high school/college...I read well, absorbed the first Dune Book It's so much better than I remember. Though Jack's blank expression when Nick is talking about Halo novels is exactly the same I have when people want to tell to me about a video game based novels...or Stargate.

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The Escapist
The Escapist

Ha, the Halo books are really fun reads though. So much more narrative depth than the game stories and actually enhances the games when you go back to play them knowing the backstory of a lot of stuff.

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koningA
koningA

I looked at both Stadia and Geforce Now (GFN). I am a laptop owner - with no desktop/tv - and moving towards smaller (non gaming) laptops over the years. The internal debate between GFN and Stadia was both economical and ethical. Things like: 1. Would I be willing to rebuy games I already own. 2. the subscription cost. 3. Do I get to 'keep' the games if I stop my subscription. 4. which games are available. 5. which company do I like. - In the end I went with GFN since my library has been Steam/PC based. Having a blast so far.

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Jassa CoC
Jassa CoC

Best honest review of Stadia I have seen to date. Great job guys.

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MazeFrame
MazeFrame

12:30 5 to 30Mbit... I have 1.5 at best.

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Tommy Åkesson
Tommy Åkesson

I played a little Stadia in May. Worked perfectly while playing Destiny 2. I got 100mbit and everything was smooth sailing. Then I bought FFXIV on sales, but didnt realize how horrible the controls were on mouse + keyboard,so it worked fine, but I need to get a controller for my PC. So overall? I like Stadia as a piece of technology. The problems I have are The lack of games and The high prices for many of the old ones.

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Simon Singh
Simon Singh

The take away from this and the last few shows: Nick thinks he doesn’t like anything, but he actually likes everything.

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The Escapist
The Escapist

Hahahaha, maybe. Maybe.

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Detroit Quinto
Detroit Quinto

Very honest review.

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hughJ
hughJ

I'm curious how well Stadia (or any game streaming service) holds up when used in a typical family household with a DSL connection where every TV, smartphone, and PC is designed to utilize bandwidth in 'greedy' bursts? Without the ability to buffer ahead surely the game stream(s) is/are going to be incredibly inconsistent when competing for bandwidth with Netflix, Youtube, Tiktok, Windows Updates, etc.

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Majdi Jarrar
Majdi Jarrar

@Lance Muzie not true, I have a friend in Europe and who tested it on a DSL. It was very responsive to him with no noticable latency. It all depends on the stability of your convection and how far you are from the datacenters.

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Lance Muzie
Lance Muzie

Cloud gaming.... Fiber only.

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Captain Samaron
Captain Samaron

Love stadia

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Justin Lindholm
Justin Lindholm

Xcloud is not free, it part of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate which is $14.99. As for Google Stadia, it is free. All you need is a gmail account, a computer, or a tablet/phone that has an android OS and is supposed to play that games. If you want to play on a TV that not side loading app, Stadia is $99 for the premier edition and Xbox is $199.99 and up to buy a console.

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

And it should get Android TV compatibility early next year, which means no need to buy anything to play on most TVs.

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Andrew Breeden
Andrew Breeden

It's not being a shill if the service is genuinely good (which Stadia is)! I've got over 45 games on Stadia with hundreds of hours logged. It's a great service with many benefits! I personally prefer their business model versus others. I like being able to just purchase games that you want on there and not having to worry about a subscription fee. And I also like the games and don't rotate out of your backlog once you've claimed them. It would be so disappointing to realize the game I was 3/4 of the way through will be removed from the playable library before I could finish it. That's an issue that X Cloud, Luna, and GeForce Now users all have to worry about.

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Andrew Breeden
Andrew Breeden

@Daniel Linger  You said it's still being a shill if you ignore major flaws in the service. Implying there are some major flaws with Stadia, and that they are still shills. Then you failed to mention any flaws or provide any information of substance. So no, your point doesn't stand. In fact, you were actively proven wrong. According to the definition of the word, it factually takes more than ignoring flaws to be a shill. Is it painful to be so useless and wrong all the time? It seems tiresome at the very least.

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Daniel Linger
Daniel Linger

@Andrew Breeden Yeah, I don't care. All that matters is the point. And the point stands. You however, seem to be getting the wrong end of the stick. I made it clear that if your arguments were sound, that's not shilling.

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Andrew Breeden
Andrew Breeden

@Daniel Linger You lack so much attention to detail, you didn't notice that was someone else responding to you. For everybody's reference, a shill is defined as: an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others. Since you're so insistent on being wrong and irritating, let's get technical. First, Google is not a hawker, gambler, or swindler. Second it's easy to tell they are not accomplices, especially given they gave their final recommendation to X Cloud. Third, they were barely acting positive, let alone enthusiastic. So no, they are not shills if the service is genuinely good. And you've provided zero valid arguments that say it's not. Speaking of, what major flaws are they ignoring? I have yet to hear you mention one solid issue with Stadia. What source do you have that says it doesn't work for most people or is useless for them? I've not encountered anything like that. Just about everyone I see online that has actually tried it themselves enjoys it (reddit, twitter, articles). A very small percentage of people seem to have any issues whatsoever. In fact the vast majority of people who say negative things about Stadia have never tried the service at all. Meaning that they have no idea what they're talking about. Just like you. Go hide back under your bridge, troll. Nobody wants to hear your useless and uninformed opinions.

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Daniel Linger
Daniel Linger

@zero0chill#6777 THat's nice and all. All I was addressing was your initial point about what a shill is. I merely pointed out that saying it's good and giving YOUR personal reasons why it works for you is NOT being a shill. However, ignoring the massive flaws in the system and their terrible handling and barmy marketing would be shilling. That's all. I was adressing that.

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zero0chill#6777
zero0chill#6777

@Daniel Linger It has been proven time-and-time again that there are a lot of factors outside of Stadia that will bring up issues with users' experience. Unfortunately, you will come to know of those issues right away. For instance, my wife's parents have At&t 1Gbps up/down. when we took our CCU so my kids can play, their play time was horrible both wireless & wired. After some troubleshooting, i found that their ISP's router was SOOOO old. Once At&t came and replaced it - Ran smooth as butter. For my own house, I have the Google WiFi (original - At&t 1Gbps u/down) using the Google Wifi App, however i was also having issues with Stadia at launch. Going through the steps, i found that when i setup my wifi, the Google Home App & Google WiFi were still not "connected", so i could not manage my WiFi APs through Google Home so i can make sure Game Mode was enabled. I had to reset my Google WiFi so i can then configure it using Google Home App. After i did that, it ran smooth as butter. Since i work in IT, i can see how non-tech people might think the service does not work out of the gate, however as a Tech & Consumer, i do understand that there is an entire ecosystem that needs to work for things to work. Finally another example, i have a 7 year old laptop whose internal wireless card & NIC card were just crap. I purchased a WiFi adapter - Performance was great. I then purchased an Ethernet USB adapter - Performance was awesome. I do not consider buying those adapters for my laptop as a point against Stadia, because after i bought them, performance of Stadia improved, and this was not because Stadia suddenly became good, but it was more that i actually took the steps to make sure my side of things were ready for Stadia. I am still unsure what a shill is, but Stadia actually works. It is one's own expectations and experience that might need to be fixed before you get to actually experience it as it was intended.

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When Is dinner
When Is dinner

Stadia is a meme

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Griffin Franklin
Griffin Franklin

I downloaded Rocket League when it was free to try it out, cause I thought I would like it, and its really fun! I did it also for the Fortnite challenges, but its still fun

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Consigno
Consigno

I have 55 games on Stadia and I can just click play. I don't manage harddrive space. I don't have to deal with updates. I'm spoiled. I don't see myself ever going back. But I'm not a typical gamer I guess. I don't have hours and hours of time to play. I own a business and have a family with two kids in middle school and high school. When I sit down to play. I don't have time for downloading or updating shit and I sure as hell don't want to make room for new games. I will patiently wait for Stadia to grow as it works amazingly. In the almost year I've had it, there were three days I couldn't play games because of my internet but I also woudln't have been able to play online with a console either, so it doesn't matter. Thanks for the honest review. People who say it doesn't work just have shit internet. Some people do and it's a shame but it's not Stadia's fault.

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Khrashing Phantom
Khrashing Phantom

Flavafaiz I'm glad that the Stadia works for you and those that it benefits. Strangely handheld systems used to fill the niche you're talking about as far as mobility. Lol. That's why I appreciated the Nintendo Switch so much. But gaming does follow trends these days and phasing out physical media seems to be the direction ALL gaming is going and has been going for years now. The more people buy in to it, the more valuable the companies see it as the less of the "old physical method" is used until it disappears entirely.

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Timo Kampwerth
Timo Kampwerth

@Flavafaiz fair enough but i find the concept of cloud based gaming just a ripoff in and of itself. The cloud service is Google. You pay them a monthly sub for the service of cloud gaming and I've got absolutely no issue with that. But to then pay the same price for the Stadia game that you would pay if you bought and owned it? I mean, if people are dumb enough then who am I to argue with that. After all, every time a new sims game comes out people also pay hunderets of dollars for features that EA has removed for the sole purpose of selling them to you for the, in some cases, fourth time. Triple A titles are littered with micropayments and pay-to-win schemes. Is this really the industry you want to give the benefit of the doubt to that they will stand by what they promised? I've stopped doing that years ago and I'm still laughing my ass off when yet another AAA Company is trying their next blatant cashgrab and people keep falling for it again and again and again and again with the usual deer-in-the-headlights look when "Oh shock horror! the Shady company that has done shady things in the past is doing shady things even though they pinkyswore they wouldn't! Who could have possibly known!?" Do you really think that especially single player games will stay up on Stadia when EA, Ubisoft or Bethesda decide that that particular Cashcow has been wrung dry?

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Flavafaiz
Flavafaiz

@Khrashing Phantom I like both of ur comment. I'm pretty much like him I love stadia when it's just there where ever I am without having any issue dealing with waiting time or updates or storage space. He has a family I I get why it's very useful for him to find time and just click and play. That's exacly what I also want for my future and that's why I choose stadia because of the simplicity. The main reason is also that I can be anywhere and don't need to be in *that* room where the console box is installed. I can be in any room, outside and at my friend's place and that freedom is kinda helping me out having more enjoyment in my life that I can just play anytime I want and when ever I can while console and pc is limited by that u need to always be in that *room *where the setup is installed. Sorry I just wanted to share my view about my life. But I wanted to point out about people that can't play stadia or other streaming platform because it's not only about stadia its also xcloud, shadow, Lina and geforce now. They already said in stadia main presentation which explains stadia position and that is... They said that stadia is just another platform to play. It's not even here to replace. People don't need to get cloud gaming and tell that it's destroying physical console world. Its just another way to play your games and some people who has started to enter this area are willing to be apart of it and decides them self if this is a right platform for them or not. Well it's kinda normal to have many diffrent platforms to play.. Stadia launched in 14 counties and same did xcloud now they support 4 counties more and stadia will release nin more countries by the end of this year that was confirmed. They stayed to support these counties because they already saw potential that these countries have good internet and many people can play in these areas and they know it both Microsoft and Google because they can see thuu all data. Ofc for ur question not everyone can play and that doesent explain that exacly everyone can play. Exacly Khrashing phantom but still they know by thr time it will be better and fast. Like I said about stadia it's just another platform to play ur games that doesent mean that it's for everyone. Cheers mate! Hopefully u can also join any cloud platform and see how it feels for u :)

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Flavafaiz
Flavafaiz

@Timo Kampwerth hey, just wanted to point out if stadia fails yes that's bad for sure. It doesent bother me when I enjoyed the time I played with diffrent games . That's just me but about contracts.... If EA leaves stadia or any other developers and I bought the game in stadia which is still running then I fully own it. It was already confirmed on a developer interview that every game I pay i will always own it if the developer starts to leave stadia.

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Khrashing Phantom
Khrashing Phantom

Consigno Well your enjoyment of the Stadia was literally all console gaming before the PS3/Xbox 360 era. Lol. Stadia is just doing a technically poorer version of what console gaming was before the online/graphics arms race. My biggest issue with "cloud" or "streaming" gaming is its exclusionary setup, which all modern gaming seems to suffer from. You're correct you don't want to waste time updating a game before you play it like many other, but a lot of others won't even get the opportunity. A large portion of the world doesn't have access to high speed internet in general, let alone high enough speeds to stream games. What it sounds like is you and other like you need gaming to go back to playability out of the box, which was standard for most of console gaming history.

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MelancholicThug
MelancholicThug

Man the future is great. Where companies now expect to be paid monthly like clockwork, and many workers are given zero hour contracts or gig economy "jobs".

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

That's the downside with Xbox Game Pass (xCloud) and GeForce Now. Meanwhile stadia doesn't require a subscription fee...

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Problematist
Problematist

Uplay+ is also coming to Stadia so if Luna doesn't work out it'll be even more shill-worthy there too.

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chrisbomber101
chrisbomber101

omg thats the guy from RLM

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Xyo
Xyo

Bruhhh I can't believe it. I just found out that Americans have data caps. I lived in three different countries in Europe, had over seven broadband contracts in total and never had to deal with a limited data cap. Wake up Americans, you're getting ripped off.

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Johnny Bionic
Johnny Bionic

Not all of us in the us have data caps. I have fiber with xfinity with no data cap but it’s $100 a month. Luckily for me I split my house bills in half my household.

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Time on my hands
Time on my hands

@AhmazinSKM Not a bad price? In the UK I get better than that for under £20.

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Matty
Matty

@AhmazinSKM Wow, 80$? In Italy I pay 28€ with Netflix included.(1gbit)

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AhmazinSKM
AhmazinSKM

Fortunately, my internet service doesn't have a data cap. Price isn't too bad either $80 for 1 Gigabit.

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Bamith
Bamith

Yeah duh, they have a monopoly and we have no consumer rights. You become grateful paying $50 for 5mbps instead of $150 when you find out you have a different choice from the other monopoly side, just gotta cough up $400 to end your contract early. The country is capitalism first and our culture greatly rewards the sociopaths that follow it.

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Adam Linkous
Adam Linkous

Shadow PC Baby!!!!

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froggy v
froggy v

I know I like sadia's business model the $9.99 a month it's the same thing as a PS plus or a Xbox gold but stadia actually gives you better games

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Elvin Tejada
Elvin Tejada

@actuatedgear You get 6 games a month on average. I've been a subscriber since July and I already have more games than I'll be ever able to finish this year.

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froggy v
froggy v

@actuatedgear nope it literally does you pay for 4K and HDR they promised one game a month this month they gave us six last month they gave us six and the month before that five but technically we paid for one remember you don't have to pay if you don't want to Xbox and PS you have to pay for online after paying for a console

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actuatedgear
actuatedgear

No. You pay for those games. It doesn't give you shit.

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Danny Patton
Danny Patton

via a few different cloud gaming services (PS Now, Liquid Sky, and Shadow), I beat all three dark souls games, sekiro, and bloodborne, without ever playing any of them before on a local machine. And my connection is only about 29 mbps. The tech is there.

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Chris SOS
Chris SOS

Some great honest, refreshing takes here on cloud gaming. If you have decent internet it's a great entry point without buying a pricey console box 👍

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Mike K
Mike K

I adored OnLive, so much fun with a very cool interface.

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Mike K
Mike K

@baysidejr I always wanted the controller, but I used the desktop version with my USB Xbox pad.

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Mike K
Mike K

@The Escapist I used to play stuff on my Sony Xperia Mini, the one with the slide out keyboard. Also, your library of game clips had such a cool interface like a long snake. I played Deus Ex: Mankind Divided for the first time on it. Great Times.

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The Escapist
The Escapist

It was super cool when it came out. Their tech and Gaikai went on to create PS Now, which is pretty neat. OnLive was literally a decade ahead of its time, crazy to think about.

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Float
Float

I was a total cloud gaming hater until I actually tried Stadia. Now I love it. Also really love xcloud, been playing that on my phone a lot lately.

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actuatedgear
actuatedgear

*Raspberry Noises*

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Owen Norcross
Owen Norcross

Everyone is streaming their games online and I'm still here playing Bioshock infinite on pc.

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

@Zaiko LeBolsh not in my experience, but again, that could differ between ISPs.

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Zaiko LeBolsh
Zaiko LeBolsh

@Kilarith Duskleaf that's good to know, the server stability seems to be fine judging by your words, does it get issues during peek hours, when there is lots of people playing?

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

@Zaiko LeBolsh that's the current limit to games streaming: if your ISP is unreliable, if your router is not powerful enough or anything along those lines, it might play well enough but with some intermittent issues. Before Stadia was even announced I went out and got an Ubiquity Unifi AP and haven't had a single issue with Stadia since I started using it.

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Zaiko LeBolsh
Zaiko LeBolsh

@Kilarith Duskleaf yeah, I did, but it seems to be felt every now and then, not to have a drop every now and then

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

@Zaiko LeBolsh to be honest, the input lag is pretty much fine, even with extremely demanding games. Ask all the people playing Doom Eternal on Stadia... It feels pretty damn fine.

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Rich Anderson
Rich Anderson

Data Caps?! Wow - America really is a terrorist nation...

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Simon Cowell
Simon Cowell

Bootlickers. There is nothing healthy about the industry coming with cloud gaming. Why am I subscribed to these hacks? Yahtzee isn’t worth this TRASH content periodically floating in my feed. Good riddance, and watch Jim Sterling for genuine critical gaming journalism.

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MonarchRigel
MonarchRigel

Poor Omar. extremely apt shot about "staring at computer screens all day". hope you rest your eyes often!

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WhyteLis21
WhyteLis21

People talk about cloud gaming like Stadia working great inside their home, but don't talk about how well it will work outside your homes in public wifi. Which is more important to me in terms of smooth and portability. 😁

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

@The Escapist there was literally a post over on r/Stadia just a few days ago with someone playing on a plane. Apparently it worked just fine. Personally I wouldn't try playing Doom, but a slower, slightly less reflex-based game... why not.

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WhyteLis21
WhyteLis21

@Denis Pollach 👍😊

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Denis Pollach
Denis Pollach

Well, I use Stadia when I'm on business trips in hotels without issues. I would obviously not use it on plane/train, thats where only a switch can really come, but otherwise. I played on airports, hotels and some other places, mostly without much issues. so portability is a thing with stadia.

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WhyteLis21
WhyteLis21

@Dayface 😊👍

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WhyteLis21
WhyteLis21

@Al Dente 😊👍

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Zenn Exile
Zenn Exile

This is the future of ALL media and computation. Having your own top end hardware is completely optional. You can literally play ANY top shelf game at ANY fidelity from little more than an internet connected Raspberry Pi. Any internet enabled device from the last 10+ years will be enough to play a game like RDR2. Like a Taster Oven with a decoder ANY.

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Ian Young
Ian Young

Microsoft Xcloud (gamepass ultimate) - as of now ONLY works on Android phone via the Xcloud app (PC only via android emulator like Bluestacks) Google Stadia - Android, Chrome browser on all systems (PC/MAC/Linux/Chromebook) Playstation Now - As of now ONLY works on PS4 or PC via App (Linux via WINE only) Luna - Not released but notes show it should run on FireTV devices & Chrome/Safari browser (PC/MAC/Linux?/Chromebook?/iOS?) Personally Stadia & Luna are quite appealing given the mixed number of devices in my household.

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ione B
ione B

Best cover about cloud gaming I've found on the internet so far. It's chill, to the point, informative and unbiased and speaks from facts and experience rather than pixie dust and unicorns like most stuff out there. Great work!

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Dani3po
Dani3po

Too bad Google has abandoned Stadia. No marketing, now new games, no exclusives and no support for the service on the last Chromecast.

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David Tran
David Tran

Oh geez, another idiot who doesn't know anything about Stadia.

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Dani3po
Dani3po

Oops Daydream took the lead.

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Nishith Joshi
Nishith Joshi

Hahahahahah you fool

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Rocketbro135
Rocketbro135

He’s prop talking about some of the dumbass videos about google “canceling” stadia on a chromecast when what were they suppose to do delay stadia or the product

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Elvin Tejada
Elvin Tejada

What are you talking about? There's a TON of new games coming to it between now and next year. Cyperpunk 2077, Watch Dogs: Legion, Baulder's Gate 3 and Assassin's Creed Valhalla just to name a few. Also they have exclusives being developed by Harmonix and Supermassive games due out next year.

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Andrew Hickinbottom
Andrew Hickinbottom

Another great episode! This is my favourite regular non-ZP thing on The Escapist. Nice editing on the 'looking at screens' bit at 6:38! I can totally relate to screen overload. I recenty started buying the Urusei Yatsura mangas to read after not reading anything for years. Ok, its not 'proper' reading, but hey - its not a screen! And its nice to hear a positive take on Stadia.

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Pewpew McGoo
Pewpew McGoo

I think the ultimate dream of cloud computing and gaming is pretty exciting - an end to consumer hardware management. Just sell me a big dumb monitor with a subscription I can do all my gaming, watching and internet-ing on and not have to worry about managing my PC, or which console to buy. I think that's the only solution to VR as well, streaming to a lightweight viewer, instead of a giga-expensive bucket on your head.

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ImBoredToo
ImBoredToo

Geforce Now is just renting a cloud computer. Devs requiring permission to run your own games on it is such bullshit. You already paid for it. They already have your money. You are renting hardware.

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CDNdevil
CDNdevil

I did the same thing as Jack and tried Rocket League again for the first time in a year or two. It’s been so fun and a good break from the trash talking FPS players.

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TDF SumoSanta
TDF SumoSanta

Does Jack seem like he talks noticably slower here than his appearances on RLM?

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Smart Smears
Smart Smears

Yeah, I'm actually wondering how he'll be the next time he's on Best of the Worst at this point since his pacing will be off

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Tim R
Tim R

He does. And somehow he managed to grow even less amusing and more awkward.

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The Nerf Report
The Nerf Report

As a fan of Cloud Gaming thank you for having a responsible and reasonable conversation about Cloud Gaming without saying "IT ALL SUCKS!" Thank you Escapist Team!

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Alan Farrell
Alan Farrell

Stadia is excellent. Just a pity that Google's marketing is non-existent. Reminds me of the Wii U. Great system but crap marketing killed it.

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Alan Farrell
Alan Farrell

@The Escapist Yup. I like Stadia's format, keep claimed Pro games and buy other games. I'm a founder and have 46 Pro games now. In order to compete I think at the very least all previous Pro games should be available to all newcomers.

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The Escapist
The Escapist

I think it’s going to have to come down to the individual games marketing it as a viable platform to play said game on. I think Stadia / Google has too much bad blood around it to really get over that hurdle unless they launch a very competitive subscription service. They’re on the clock now with Luna and xCloud.

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Jakir Hussain
Jakir Hussain

I don't understand how the stadia model sucks. I have the choice of either buying a PS5 for $500 or having a Stadia account for nothing. And the same game on both platforms will have the same launch price and the same sale prices (Stadia now matches sale prices). Stadia Pro gives more value than PS+. And the problem with a console is if my wife or son want the TV that means I'd have to stop playing. What sucks about Stadia's business model?

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Liam Fay
Liam Fay

@ps2 pro GAMER I respect Sony a lot and I don't think that is a bad strategy for them. But they do it even with their own system. I.e. Spiderman, a lot of unnecessary ports. Very poor compatibility mode. Selling the same game over and over. Hard time accepting crossplay. Also their publishers could release their games for PC if they want.They just prefer not. Again, I had so much fun playing on my PS4. It just not for me anymore.

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ps2 pro GAMER
ps2 pro GAMER

@Nishith Joshi yea sadly a lot of people dont know that. And its googles fault

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ps2 pro GAMER
ps2 pro GAMER

@Liam Fay of course sony wants you to stay on their ecosystem. Microsoft has an edge because they can have games on pc beacuse windows are their product

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Captain Samaron
Captain Samaron

I think stadia is great, I don't understand either

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Nishith Joshi
Nishith Joshi

@42 42 you don't need to suscribe to Stadia for buying a game. And Stadia also destroys xcloud in terms of performance

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FlashMeterRed
FlashMeterRed

On stadia: all you need is a good internet connection?? Why hasn't it come to Australia yet?! Oh.

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Liam Fay
Liam Fay

I don't think stadia require a good connection. It works really good in a lot of ok internet connections. 20/5 Mbps for example. It works fine. But I would say it needs or an ethernet connection or a good router. Never really heard of someone having big issues using ethernet or nest wifi.

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Xyz786
Xyz786

Xbox game pass exists...btw

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42 42
42 42

@67hoursAndCounting Not yet it be out this month or the coming month. Not that long really they still want to test it. But it will no matter what come to PC.

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

@67hoursAndCounting Not yet. It will be at some point, but for now it's Android only, and limited to 720p max.

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67hoursAndCounting
67hoursAndCounting

@42 42 wait xcloud is out for pc, not just phone and tablet?

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42 42
42 42

@67hoursAndCounting You can also use game pass on your shitty PC. With xcloud along with it. Edit: no xbox needed at all. Actually I think the trail version is still 5 bucks.

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67hoursAndCounting
67hoursAndCounting

@Jeris II oh my bad

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Liam Fay
Liam Fay

Let's resume Stadia. Awesome technology, its is impressive as hell. But Google is a beginner as a game company. Hopefully they learn. It's getting better. About data cap, that is a specific US problem. Most of the counties don't have this problem. And shouldn't have. Stadia pro is becoming very similar to Gamespass. Google sold it as a Xbox Gold like service and people complained. Now they changed the model and didn't tell people they changed. Hahaha. Google has serious problem communicating. But is a good service overall.

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tearinox
tearinox

Too bad even Google doesn't care to support Stadia anymore with their most recent Chromecast. They did the same thing with other killed products like Google+ and Glass. Simply stopped supporting them and then eventually officially cut.

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Ultamatum
Ultamatum

There's a few reasons Stadia isn't available at launch for the new Chromecast (without sideloading) - There's been a pandemic causing massive delays to everything and there's no point in Google delaying a product for 1 service that's not ready - They are wanting Android TV 11 before releasing Stadia (adds a bunch of low latency decoding options) - All other Google services have had years to release Android TV apps, Stadia hasn't

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

@tearinox I agree, though to be fair, the UX isn't good enough yet with the sideload; not for public release (users are typically stupid and these sort of things have to be perfect... unless you target power-users, like GFN does). But either way, Google have a tendency to build things up slowly over time... It's not too surprising.

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tearinox
tearinox

@Kilarith Duskleaf Yep. Normal users can figure out non-official ways but Google can't be bothered.

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

@tearinox or you sideload the Android APK... And it works fine ;)

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tearinox
tearinox

@Jakir Hussain Exactly. Stadia is a low priority. If you want to get a new Chromecast from Google with Stadia support, you are SOL right now. You have to buy a used Chromecast Ultra. Maybe the new one gets support next year, maybe it doesn't. We still don't have a lot of features Google promised and it's a year old at this point.

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adrian williams
adrian williams

I tried Stadia on a free trial weekend after using Geforce Now for the best part of the year with good results, I was keen to test out Borderlands 3 but sadly Stadia wasn't a good fit for me. After persevering for about an hour I cancelled the free Stadia trial, long story short, I experienced extreme lag and kept being kicked out of the game. Elite Dangerous takes about 2 and a half minutes to start on Geforce Now (no Borderlands :P ) but works fine once started, Control and Dead Cells start up fast, Rocket League recently came up on the list of games too so must give that a try! I tried tweaking the settings for Stadia but found limited options available to adjust, Geforce Now allows you to adjust the graphics and sound settings just like any other PC game, never expected this, I ended up turning the settings up (vsync, 3d audio, RTX higher resolution etc ) and it still performs great! BTW having a Geforce Graphics card fitted\installed on your PC or laptop is not a requirement.

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Snrub
Snrub

What's funny is that people say that Stadia lags, has terrible input delay and other shit without having tried it, and don't say anything about xCloud/GeForce Now. Stadia is the best in terms of streaming tech (best quality and performance, feels like playing locally), the problem is that it needs way more AAA games.

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vincentmuyo
vincentmuyo

I expect that all cloud gaming works essentially the same way. GeForce Now has the advantage of using your existing library, except some developers want people to pay for games twice. Which is pretty scummy.

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Matty
Matty

@actuatedgear They can't pull games because they have some terms for that, they said that in an interview, for example if some developer removes a game from the store you can still use it if you bought it. Other than that my connection never went out in 3+ years so that's not a problem. (only when there were blackouts obviously)

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Uncanye
Uncanye

@actuatedgear pulling a title is a netflix thing. Xcloud and GeForce Now both have these issues. Stadia is just a cloud platform not netflix for games so it has similar ownership to xbox and ps digital editions.

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actuatedgear
actuatedgear

Yes... but streaming is frickin stupid. It suffers from the limitation of online play, internet goes down, no play, and if they decide to stop supporting or pull a title? Bye bye your money. Screw all of that.

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TenDeuChen
TenDeuChen

I love Stadia. It runs great looking games on my integrated graphics laptop that it couldn't play otherwise, games don't require any space or waiting on downloads, and also I get current gen games that I can't play on my Switch. I hope to get a PS5 sometime, but will continue supporting and using Stadia regardless.

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Aliriza Türker
Aliriza Türker

What I like about Stadia is that I can purchase games and play without a monthly subscription. The business model of Xbox Gamepass forces me into another subscription which is a big problem for me. Also the streaming quality of Gamepass needs to be improved. 720p 30fps is just not enough.

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

@Mooreo with good internet, it is. I play about 90% on Stadia or GeForce Now at this point. If anything it's been more reliable than local gaming for me. And this is off of a moderately reliable 80Mbps down connection through WiFi, no gigabit fibre or anything. Edit: GFN is not quite reliable I get semi-regular lag spikes and quality dips, but Stadia has about a 99.5% track record for me.

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Mooreo
Mooreo

At the same time, though, if you're already in the Xbox Ecosystem (console or PC) then Xcloud is a great addition to that for when you're travelling or something. I don't think the technology is just there yet for streaming to be a full replacement for traditional gaming.

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_Smightee _
_Smightee _

I'm sure Omar can photoshop edit a Shill hat on Nick

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le Buska
le Buska

This is the best T-shirt you have Jack, I love it!

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Kaden Scharrer
Kaden Scharrer

Wait a youtube channel actually giveing Stadia a fair trial before attacking it for free clicks ? Consider me subscribed

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Chicken Curry
Chicken Curry

I love the idea of Google Stadia. We can stream movies and shit, services like Netflix are pretty much the final nail in the coffin for physical disks (it's sad to see them go but times are a-changin, I guess) So it only makes sense that some eggheads have figured out how to do the same with video games. And with streaming games, you eliminate my main beef with going full digital which is hard drive space. All my friends play Modern Warfare and they're always talking about how there's a new 2tb update every other day because they're adding a new weapon skin or two but if it was all in some sort of cloud thing, that solves that problem real fuckin quick. But Google Stadia's business model has so many flaws that it's hard not to see why it was so dead on arrival. (At least according to the last time I've thought about it, which was a while ago. They may have changed it to be less ass but I haven't seen anything like that)

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This Guy
This Guy

I wanted to play Assassin's Creed Odyssey and all I needed to do was buy it on Stadia and I was playing it within seconds. No sub, no powerful PC, no specific controller. I can't do that on any other service. I like the business model for Stadia.

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SpaceBoy_Moptop
SpaceBoy_Moptop

Specifically in the US, Cloud based gaming won't catch on that well IMO. Outside of cities, the majority of the US doesn't have great internet and most of the time, it is easier to have good hardware than have good internet. The biggest hurdle cloud gaming will have is the infrastructure, not people subscribing.

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Derick Stephan
Derick Stephan

I live 2 hours from any big city, Stadia works perfectly fine.

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

THB, Stadia is a technological marvel. Like the business model or not, the streaming tech is surprisingly good, and a clear cut above the competition (for now). Personally, I haven't touched my PS4 since I started using it. In most of Europe, and a good part of the world, data caps aren't a thing and cheap fast internet is pretty ubiquitous... so it's bound to pick up down the road. Tech aside, IMHO, the business model isn't too bad. The free tier where you just buy whatever game you're into and don't have to pay a subscription is pretty nice. I don't play enough games or finish them quickly enough for GPU to be good value for me; the rotating catalog would kill it for me, being pressured to finish a game before it gets removed... nah! As for GeForce Now, it's great, I use it also, but it runs significantly less smoothly and has regular resolution dips (down to about 420p) and the UX is jank as heck!

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Matt Hasl
Matt Hasl

I use my ps4 to charge my stadia controllers lol

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

@actuatedgear OK...? I mean, allegiances are stupid and simply help to let gaming companies become even more predatory... but sure.

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actuatedgear
actuatedgear

You're a traitor to the PS4 and may your ancestors cast you out.

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Rhut Virani
Rhut Virani

@Al Dente thats true but actually its more targeted towards those who cant afford 500$ for a console and those are likely to get better internet in coming years than increase in purchasing power to buy exp consoles.

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Rhut Virani
Rhut Virani

I agree its the best tech in cloud gaming and has the highest potential also. Been using it since feb it runs amazing.

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Георгий Карманов
Георгий Карманов

Games as a service is still a scam

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Rocketbro135
Rocketbro135

Георгий Карманов depends on who enjoys it

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Георгий Карманов
Георгий Карманов

@Matijaž Pečnik No, it's worse. You buy hardware, - in 5-10 years you have at least a box of metal. You buy a game, it depends on central server - and in 5 years you have - fuck all.

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Matijaž Pečnik
Matijaž Pečnik

Buying expensive hardware before you even get to play your first game on it is the real scam.

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Digital666Devil
Digital666Devil

I use the *ps4 remote play* app on tablet, phone and PC.. My wife or kids occupy often the TV, so I can have a little gamesession elwhere in my house.

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Tuna
Tuna

The funniest thing about cloud gaming is that the 2 games that made stadia somewhat worth it(doom and destiny), Are now both on game pass

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Dayface
Dayface

Red Dead Redemption 2 can't be played via cloud any other way ATM.

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Peter
Peter

@Tuna well you are wrong. It is not on pc.

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

@Tuna not yet. It's planned sometime in 2021 I think, but not yet. GPU on PC is only for downloading and installing games, not xCloud. In fact xCloud is currently only on Android (not all devices) and limited to 720p.

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Tuna
Tuna

@This Guy you can get gamepass for pc and connect your pc to a tv I'm pretty sure, although I might be wrong

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This Guy
This Guy

How do I play Gamepass on my tv without paying hundreds for an Xbox?

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Crispman 777
Crispman 777

GForce Now sounds like it has real potential

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

The main issue is that it's a hacked together solution, so the UX is incredibly janky. It can be a real pain just to launch a game, and in many cases you have to redo all your graphics settings each time you play (for example, Watch Dogs 2 defaults to low graphics each time even though the service can run it at ultra). That and there is also the fact that the current subscription model is probably not sustainable: the best estimates I've seen point to the fact that running the service is costing them a lot more than the subs bring in. At this point in time it's probably more about marketing and ensuring a lot of people use their hardware, including in the growing cloud space (so they keep their edge over AMD in terms of support). I'd expect it to soon become quite a bit more expensive or for them to remove the free tier at the very least. But in the mean time, I use it and it's pretty nice =)

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Crispman 777
Crispman 777

@67hoursAndCounting Which studios?

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67hoursAndCounting
67hoursAndCounting

Didn't all those studios pull their games out over legal issues?

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Spike Bebop
Spike Bebop

Poor Stadia, it can't take a break

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Alan Greenway
Alan Greenway

Just ran a test on my internet. 2.06 download/0.43 upload. I’m no tech expert, but I’m guessing I’ve more chance of cloud gaming using courier pigeons.

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Dayface
Dayface

Only way I could play RDR2 without dropping hundreds to thousands on a console or PC I didn't strictly need. Ran like butter, didn't lag at all. Perfect experience for 80+ hours. That's really it - it's perfect for people like me and I'm glad it exists

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Dayface
Dayface

@mr blob commented on a comment about a purchaser on a video about purchasing.

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mr blob
mr blob

Saurabh Shetty don’t know how you think people would pay for a game on a service hat is already failing, from a company that literally shuts down projects whenever they want.

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Saurabh Shetty
Saurabh Shetty

@mr blob ppl replying to you have already proven you wrong lmao. Do you need more explanations bud?

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Dayface
Dayface

@mr blob I literally just said that ANY controller works with it. PS4, Xbox One, Steam, Stadia, some cheap one. Any controller works with it. Stadia has more controller options than any available platform. What are you, eleven?

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mr blob
mr blob

Dayface you’re an idiot. The point of some triple A games is that you play them as intended. Some games are not good with keyboard and mouse, some games are TERRIBLE touch screen. You can sit there thinking leasing a virtual console is cheaper than buying a discount console, but don’t lie to people.

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Ryan Harris
Ryan Harris

I don’t know whats worse cloud gaming with the potential for microtransactions in or just crap games asking for $70 and then throwing microtransactions in.

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JombilyWobbily
JombilyWobbily

Physical copies (iffy on digital ones): if you have the money, you can buy it. Cloud gaming: do you live in a rural area? You're SOL, son. That alone I bet has a legal argument against it. Also, guys, really, you're starting to sound like market analysts for Business Insider or something like that. These corporations are pretty much monopolies. As a consumer, I'm skeptical. Remember when MS revealed the Xbox One and the reaction to how restrictive the platform was supposed to be was a universal FU to that? That's why the PS4 got a leg up. This crap is a revised version of the same plan. At the end, it might turn out well if all these services benefit gamers, but we're still at the whims of giant corporations that answer to nobody but their shareholders. I'm skeptical.

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67hoursAndCounting
67hoursAndCounting

The more companies that get into the streaming space (like Amazon joining in now), the better it'll be for the gamers, because there's more competition

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Russell Lee
Russell Lee

I use Shadow. Works like a treat!

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the true Star
the true Star

I want all these streaming services to die I do not want gaming to become like cable or the current streaming services where they're all split up to different ones.

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Jeris II
Jeris II

That’s more Amazon Luna which will have multiple subscription/channel . For stadia you get stadia pro which is like psplus or you don’t stadia pro and just buy game no extra fee

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67hoursAndCounting
67hoursAndCounting

The good thing for games vs shows is that they can release to multiple services, I don't think we'll have to worry about a bunch of exclusives anymore than we currently do

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JombilyWobbily
JombilyWobbily

Pfft... your loss, friendo. My subscriptions to Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Disney+, Apple TV+, CBS All Access, Peacock, Quibi, YouTube Premium, BangBros offer great bang for my buck! Specially BangBros.

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Red Sierra
Red Sierra

did stadia pay for this LOL

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Brad Simpson
Brad Simpson

Damn the person mocking your stupid comment got more likes that you. Looks like the stadia hate train is on fire.

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Darth Kai
Darth Kai

@The Escapist is Rich Evans replacing Susan? Is Mike Stoklasa replacing Rich Evans? Is Stadia replacing Rich Evans?

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The Escapist
The Escapist

If every game company we talked about paid us I think we all could have retired by now.

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Darth Kai
Darth Kai

Yes?

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Teddie Doggo
Teddie Doggo

@Chase Danychuk dId StAdIa PaY fOr tHiS lOl

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Damian Yoss
Damian Yoss

Honestly the Long Dark dev really put me off with that bout of petulance..

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TheHoratiosvetlana
TheHoratiosvetlana

I feel like the only scenario that could come out of not being on Geforce now is loss of revenue. "I just bought NEW GAME. Let's play it on... oh it's not on Geforce now, refunded."

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dankoni ॐ nॐ nॐ
dankoni ॐ nॐ nॐ

10:32 bro... google (or just ask someone) how to pronounce "preface" 🤦😂😂

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dankoni ॐ nॐ nॐ
dankoni ॐ nॐ nॐ

@The Escapist there's actually a gary gulman bit about mispronouncing preface... "How long have I had the verbal equivalent of spinach in my teeth?" 😂😂

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The Escapist
The Escapist

Yeaaaa. I caught that after we recorded...just wait till the end of the video for an even worse slip-up.

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Zippy Dastrange
Zippy Dastrange

A shame epic has broken Rocket league....

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Zippy Dastrange
Zippy Dastrange

They don't need to have everything on the cloud, theres tons of ways to offload a bunch of data locally so you don;t have to strain bandwidth/latency. Literally all they have to do is copy steam/Xbox/PSN store and offer streaming as a side thing, I hope amazon dose that......

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Zippy Dastrange
Zippy Dastrange

@JombilyWobbily We are already there, since the mid/late 90s with the DMCA and making home duplication's more illegal than ever we are already to the point they can legally pull a new license out their ass and force you to buy it because the old one is no longer valid. The UK/EU followed our lead banning or limited many forms of distribution, they do not really enforce them (HDCP got easier to bypass) which IMO should invalidate their patents/IP rights but if you have money you have power and law is on your side. The only way to counter that aside from piracy is bringing first sale doctrine to the digital world where ALL end user license's are endlessly transferable for a 3-5% fee of user set prices(user set price no minimum). If you do not buy it with money or premium currency then they can claim you own nothing, but if you pay for it you own it for as long as you keep your account up to date. The end user dose not have a license to watch or play a stream that's on the distributor that sells streaming packages to the end user,ect The end user dose have a tos/user agrement to follow but it dose not invalidate what you purchased.

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JombilyWobbily
JombilyWobbily

As a side hustle, I more than welcome it. It can absolutely be convenient and a lot of people don't want to spend on the hardware, which is understandable. My fear is that with everything we've seen from game companies is that this is their newest entry into not relinquishing control to the benefit of the consumer. An option? Great. Perhaps the only way to play games? Eh...

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Christopher Rose
Christopher Rose

Microsoft game pass for PC is definitely worth the money. And at the moment first month is £1. It's not streaming but you just get download access to about 100 games. A lot of good ones too!

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Jeris II
Jeris II

But I don’t have a android phone or a good laptop . My laptop has intel graphics card . So only geforce and stadia for me

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67hoursAndCounting
67hoursAndCounting

But then you need a gaming pc. Geforce now, Stadia, Luna and the like are great because they make gaming more accessible

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_Smightee _
_Smightee _

The both of ye sound like shills 😂😁

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shotgunshells2
shotgunshells2

It's got some great indie titles, like Crosscode and Spiritfarer.

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Ryan Green
Ryan Green

Stadia is a scam. Don't support cloud gaming. Make the game industry give you something for $70. Edit: No one has addressed that Google could brick the platform just as they stopped supporting Glass and Google +1. That wouldn't happen tomorrow, but think about 2 or 3 years into a struggling market. All those purchases and being locked out from servers.

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Brad Simpson
Brad Simpson

@YaBoyTwiz HEY ITS MY BOY TWIZ. You guys should probably go check out this dudes channel. Might help a lot of you dummies.

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Brad Simpson
Brad Simpson

Well Ryan, here is some fun info for you. Microsoft has killed off more stuff than google has. Better throw out your pc or xbox since they are probably about to turn off your gaming machines. Don't support scam companies like microsoft. Did you know internet explorer doesn't even come with the entire internet downloaded on your hard drive?! Also... netflix, disney plus, hulu, amazon prime etc etc etc? TOTAL SCAMS! YOU CAN'T EVEN KEEP THE MOVIES?! Don't even get me started on spotify. DOWN WITH STREAMING! SCAMS! ALL OF IT!

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Peter
Peter

@The Escapist but why is this model where there are no extra Costs besides the cost of the game better then a monthly fee where I get 150 games like in gamepass (but not the latest games besides microsoft games?) People complain about the monthly fee (which is optional) but in the same breath praise xcloud which is only accesible with a monthly fee.

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Peter
Peter

@Ryan Green the value is in you being able to play that game without buying a ps4, pc that can run the game or switch. So you saved about 300 dollar. I can play games on my crappy laptop from work. That is good value in my opinion. That is what I mean with 'heavy lifting' you don't have to have the hardware to run the game, just a screen able to play a stream.

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YaBoyTwiz
YaBoyTwiz

@The Escapist it's only weird because it's they are first to do it. I don't see any difference in buying a game on steam versus Stadia. I'm paying to have access to a game and play it when ever I want. Outside of it "feeling weird". There is logically no difference.

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BlueBasNeue Tube
BlueBasNeue Tube

9:06 for Stadia business and onwards Remember kids, Church, Steeple, there's the people.

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nick chavarria
nick chavarria

BlueBasNeue Tube es already linked in description

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Luminous Wings
Luminous Wings

Game streaming services are awesome 👍

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Soren Ingraham
Soren Ingraham

What minecraft update will people beg for now?

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J Cohasset
J Cohasset

​@Soren Ingraham Oh. I don't know on that. I got back into playing the game a few months before The Nether update came out but then after a week or two after it released I became bored again with the game and I haven't played nor watched many minecraft videos since (I've played off an on since beta).

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Soren Ingraham
Soren Ingraham

@J Cohasset but we're getting the cave update, so now what will people want

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that guy
that guy

100%

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J Cohasset
J Cohasset

That's easy- Cave update.

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Soren Ingraham
Soren Ingraham

@that guy but we're getting that already

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that guy
that guy

He went to catholic school 👀

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SkyChotik
SkyChotik

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