Immortals Fenyx Rising Preview - Not Quite Breath of the Wild | The Escapist Show

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    This week on The Escapist Show, Nick and Jack both got to preview Ubisoft's upcoming Immortals Fenyx Rising game, and Jack finally tried cloud gaming...his response may surprise you.
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    Immortals Fenyx Rising Preview - 0:00 - 11:13
    Jack's thoughts on Stadia - 11:14 - 25:56
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HumbleCanadian 420
HumbleCanadian 420

Whos here from PREVIOUSLY RECORDED

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Gourd Lord
Gourd Lord

I wonder if the name is a Starcraft reference.

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Wombat
Wombat

U R Probably going to have to re-review No Mans Sky huh...?

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JayStorm
JayStorm

Unpopular opinion i don't like BOTW and i didn't use it's tool box in any creative way and just stop playing it after the first 3 hours or so.

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lovableasshole
lovableasshole

At least they gave the greek characters greek accents and no british ones (I'm looking at you Hades 👀)

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lovableasshole
lovableasshole

Where did jack get such a lifelike replica of his own head? 🤔

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TheCreepypro
TheCreepypro

it is actually nice to see a positive take on stadia cause it is not like any of us want it to fail we just want people who make promises to keep them or at least be more realistic about it

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James Dreger
James Dreger

"you can play the game as soon as it comes on sale": I had a little-known device that used to do that. it was called something like the... Nar-u-to 75? the... Nix-on '68? the name escapes me...

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ImBoredToo
ImBoredToo

Stadia's business model is God awful. They should have gone with a Netflix style monetization.

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Dylan Tortosa
Dylan Tortosa

I use Stadia daily, its quite magical to have Baldurs Gate 3 on my phone.

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Blask Vesperia
Blask Vesperia

At this time if something is removed from steam its remove from sale not the archieves. I have a few games that no longer exist in store or were ended and can still be downloaded and installed even if they server needed to boot them is gone.

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Finger Painting
Finger Painting

Jack, you went full John DeHart. Shouldn't ever go full John DeHart, Are you going to open with the Shimmy Slide next week Jack DeHart?

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Kevin Cheung
Kevin Cheung

Great commentary on Stadia! I play it daily, and have no problems with loss of quality. I do have very good (300mb/s) internet though, but I like it in comparison to my PC, since I can play the same game on my phone/work laptop when I travel out of town, and get the same experience.

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Nudelaug Binideppat
Nudelaug Binideppat

Why is everyone still talking about Breath of the Wild? Horizon Zero Dawn not only preceded it, but did it better.

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Nudelaug Binideppat
Nudelaug Binideppat

@quantum midget I get what you mean. I think you convinced me. The goal might be different.

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quantum midget
quantum midget

@Nudelaug Binideppat Honestly, I agree in some regards. While I played about 50 hours of the game, many elements never clicked with me, and I felt like it was missing many crucial worldbuilding elements. However, I think it was most certainly aiming for a different experience than Horizon Zero Dawn, and while certain elements can be compared, the differences are far too many to say either 'did it better'

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Nudelaug Binideppat
Nudelaug Binideppat

@quantum midget I haven't myself. I watched a co-worker finish it over the course of a few weeks. I think Breath of the Wild isn't a particularly outstanding open-world adventure game.

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quantum midget
quantum midget

The two games are incredibly different, have you played Breath of the Wild?

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Gabriel Smith
Gabriel Smith

Jack often says Steam is a risk because you are technically licensing the games you buy, and while this is technically true has it ever been an issue? In my experience and what I have read about, even when they wipe a game from the store as long as you have bought it already you can still download it and play it. Have there been any cases where Valve has outright removed a game to the point you can't even download it if you had already bought it?

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Tormantor
Tormantor

Make me sad Jack does not like game that my company work on

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WereXWolf
WereXWolf

"Greek mythology is for people with no imagination" Kid Icarus Uprising will have words with you, Jack Pack...

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Korey Baird
Korey Baird

I use it everyday on busy wifi we get about 180 mbs average with 7 people in the house it runs great even in 4k so far

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NekoiNemo
NekoiNemo

How is Greek mythology boring? Greek mythology is one of the most interesting mythologies in the world. There's a reason why Romans aped it for their pantheon, and why Greek mythology is where *everyone* goes for the inspiration up to this day. Because it's the best one in the western world. Jack, you keep returning to the whole "downloading" aspect, but doe it matter? Downloading is the *least* frequent thing you do when gaming. And if you have internet good enough for cloud gaming - downloading even a AAA game takes about 20min. And you may keep bringing up the CoD with its 200Gb install size, but that's an outlier. How many games are there that even go past 80Gb - 15? 20? Unless you're a child who can't wait 10min after buying the game to play it, and keeps screaming "Daddy, i want it NOW!" throughout the whole process - initial download time the the most non-issue there is. 19:10 It's not a "big what if", it is not even a "what if" - it is "when". Just look at Netflix the the likes. Yes, games WILL get removed from the streaming services, and yes, you WILL lose access to them, and there's nothing you can do about it. And no, i 'm fucking tired of repeating it, but it is NOT like that on Steam and GOG - you actually own games there. You have the game files on your drive, you can make backup, you can run them without client or even the internet access. And yes, when game is removed from Steam or GOG - you KEEP that game. Paranautical Activity's dev sent GabeN's death treats on Twitter and his game got kicked out - i still kept the game, i could install and play it with no issues. Deadpool's publisher had their license expire ~6 months after the game's release and it got recalled from physical shops and pulled from digital sale - i still kep my Steam copy and was able to install and play it. At one point Bethesda pulled Fallout series from sale on GOG - i still kept my copies of all 3 (good) Fallout games and even still have them in my library - the "Fallout _ Classic" one. Tl;dr: you're comparing a real and frequent occurrence of content being pulled from the streaming service to digital license being revoked on normal game shops - something that has never happened, and that is a bad non-argument. P.S. Jfc, JAck, will you just shut the fuck up about "not owning your games anyway" on Steam?! This is just embarrassing at this point.

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zero0chill#6777
zero0chill#6777

For the past 11 months, i have had 4 active Stadia Pro accounts, 3 Founder Editions for my kids, and Me a mere Buddy Pass account. My youngest does not play Stadia as much, but my 2 oldest and myself have played Stadia almost exclusively without any issues. This is on top of my 3rd oldest playing Fortnite on his nintendo switch lite, as well as my 2 youngest (4 years old & 2 years old) using their own tablets to stream Youtube videos. I do have a 1Gbps up/down internet through At&t - A package that offers no data cap. Last couple of weeks, i convinced my wife to get Stadia as well, so she'll be working up the courage to play it during her very rare down times. Essentially what I want to say is that Stadia has absolutely not lagged to the point where it is unplayable. We have had very few issues, but in the grand scheme of things, they have not been ones where we flat out have stopped playing because of the unplayability. Stadia to us, has delivered on the core promised of playing a game from a browser without issues.

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Christopher Hughes
Christopher Hughes

Although I'm really psyched for this game, it's refreshing to hear valid critiques about this game. 👍

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UnreasonableOpinions
UnreasonableOpinions

Jack, I disagree completely about Greek mythology being unimaginative. POP Greek mythology is unimaginative, because of course it is - it’s pop mythology and this by its nature the most basic possible ideas stifled by a need to be utterly accessible for even the most lazy person. Especially Greek mythology, because it’s been pop mythology in the Western world for centuries thanks to the self-described Enlightenment. Actual Greek history gets very interesting as soon as you hit the stuff that requires any effort to learn, and Greek mythology is all that plus absolutely no obligation to adhere to reality. Take it far enough and it actually gets pretty difficult to understand why stories work out because they rely on a mindset very unlike at home. It’s similar to Norse mythology, where the pop myth version is done beyond death, but the actual myths are fascinating. Get properly into it and you actually can’t put it into games because imagine playing a game as Odin and having to regain your magical essence the way he did. IFR is generic and suck but that’s because it was a lazy pop myth game with little mechanical substance, not because Greek Myth Bad.

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toastedsopas
toastedsopas

With all this Stadia talk, they keep forgetting the biggest barrier, bandwidth. Not everyone can have or have access to 200mbps

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NekoiNemo
NekoiNemo

It isn't. The real barrier is latency. You can live in an American city with 20Mbps copper line and tell everyone how smooth your streaming experience is, but somebody in, say, Eastern Europe with 1Gbps fiber going straight into their PC will have a borderline unplayable experience, because they don't have Google data centre 3 blocks away from their home liek the former, and no amount of bandwidth is going to compensate for that.

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

How about 15Mbps? Because that's all you need... (for 1080p, and 35Mbps for 4K)

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Jorae Reegers
Jorae Reegers

This just solidified that hiring Jack has been the best thing you guys have done in awhile. But if we're being honest about cloud gaming, it's that Stadia is still doing a few things noticeably bad. For example, having to buy the Stadia specific version of a game. Nobody in their right mind wants to buy (or rebuy) a streaming only version of something like Destiny 2, a yearly release of Call of Duty, or even the Baldur's Gate 3 EA due to so many online specific uncertainties. ESPECIALLY something Early Access like BG3. I'm willing to try it out because I am personally in a situation where my family and I could most definitely benefit from the idea, but I'll only do it subscription model version if the trial period is as flawless as you guys claim. Also, if the games library is truly worth the investment. There's A LOT of repeating of the same library of games in multiple other services, like the free games that Epic games store gives away willy nilly. What I'm truly hoping for is either XboxGamePass gets their cloud version patented down for the PC side soon, or Valve takes a jab at it. Like if I could get a free streaming version of half of my Steam Library, then I'll fully embrace cloud gaming!

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Michael McGrath
Michael McGrath

How the press and BOTW fans feel about Fenyx is how I feel about BOTW.

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João
João

Convenience is the death of your choice, one day.

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João
João

Budget concious, buying your games twice so you can play them at home and out and about?!

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

Who said anything about buying a game twice? Why would you ever do that? Just get new titles on Stadia and play them.on Stadia wherever you are...

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Patrick Hanlon
Patrick Hanlon

Has Nick ever disliked a game or had a strong opinion ?

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Dee T
Dee T

He hates dark souls and souls-likes games but is slowly coming around to them. Hated the nonsense nintendo is doing with their limited time Mario releases as well from their recent show.

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Adam T-F
Adam T-F

I thought this looked pretty bland, then saw a guy play it and thought "huh, maybe it's quite fun to play" then you guys just absolutely destroy it lmao

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Mike Fox
Mike Fox

I am 100% sold on Immortals Fenyx Rising. I love the look of it, I love Greek mythology, and having not played BoTW I'm looking forward to playing a -like game (visual speaking). It's one of my top 5 hyped games for the next-gen.

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Andrew Hickinbottom
Andrew Hickinbottom

"JackBadHaloGood" hahaha :-D Nice to see a RLM tshirt crossover too!

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Damon Harrison
Damon Harrison

Let's drink every time they say breath of the Wild. ...How soon did you get drunk?

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Threesixtydegree Orbits
Threesixtydegree Orbits

Nvidijerk lets you play your steamlibrary for free 1 hour at a time. So you can own the games.

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Jamie
Jamie

Haven't watched much escapist content before but I didn't enjoy this video. Nick seemed like a practiced games journalist (providing critical and thoughtful opinions) but Jack just gave juvenile (pulling faces when the other guy a different opinion?) and overly negative comments without thoughtful context. Would have been much more interesting video with just Nick, but I don't know if Jack playing a bad cop role in the video is common for the channel.

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Sterling Archer
Sterling Archer

Bald guy seems like a pretentious douche, and hat guy seems like he's afraid to disagree with bald guy and is downplaying his interest to avoid seeming like he really liked something that bald guy is shitting on so heavily.

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Trevor Terry
Trevor Terry

Jack seems like he's hating on Immortals because he dislikes greek mythology - story isn't really discernible in a 40 minute (or even 5 hour) demo, don't judge a game just because the story setting isn't something you like. The idea behind reviews is that they're supposed to be objective, not subjective.

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Axel Prino
Axel Prino

As far as I know ownership of digital games doesn't work the way Jack puts it. When you buy a game in Steam you're acquiring a life long license to that piece of software, once you download it it can't be taken away from you, and while Steam itself exists you can re-download it whenever you need to even if the publisher or Valve removes it from the storefront (I own a few games that vanished due to licensing issues but they still appear in my library and work properly). Even when Steam finally dies at some point in the uncertain future Valve will allow its users to download and back-up everything they own and provide an offline version of the Steam logging so the games continue to run, just like how you can start the client and play steam games when your internet is down for some reason, the only exception being third-party DRMs but those were a problem even back when all PC games were sold physically it has nothing to do with the distribution method. On the other hand when Stadia, or other streaming service like it, is down you can't access your library at all. The reason why I don't like Stadia in particular is that there's no option to download the games and run them locally like what Microsoft offers, you're stuck with streaming with no alternative.

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Thomas Giles
Thomas Giles

3:40 I'd like to disagree with Jack, that color commentary can elevate the hack and slash gameplay of an adventure game. Hades is pretty great at it. It does it so well, I don't need another.

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Black Hammer
Black Hammer

What's funny is that we've been riding a wave of narration-driven games for a couple years now. Bastion and SG's other titles are obviously a big part of it, but Darkest Dungeon's Ancestor may be more memorable than anything SG made. And Bard's Tale did it years earlier. Heck, elements of emergent narration are appearing in some weird genres: Total War Three Kingdoms, a strategy game, dabbles in it. Color commentary can be great, but nothing about Fenyx's suggests they put the elbow grease into it.

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Griffin Gamer
Griffin Gamer

Um, why does it detriment in standing when you compare it to Breath of the Wild? This game isn't BotW, nor is it anything like it. It's a big crack in this review if you ask me, and it doesn't highlight the core of the game's positives and negatives.

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TheZaius
TheZaius

Physical games only.

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Jan-Michael Paul
Jan-Michael Paul

Jack: *shits on game for 12 minutes* Nick: Yeah. Um... I liked it..

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Oh Forfoxsake
Oh Forfoxsake

Named like a mobile game, looks like a mobile game, plays like a mobile game? Wait a minute...

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petwisk
petwisk

About IFR, i'm on the extreme oposite on your thougths for what i see of the game It looks like BoTW but with a good progression System(BoTW Felt directionless to me) and good combat(since i Don't really like Zelda Combat in General is what made few in love with Darksiders 1 and 2) also i have 0 problens with the Greek Mythology setting, is light hearted and is interesting to me, much diferent than anything that Ubsoft is making nowdays, as for Stadia... It Just sucks and i Don't give much time before Google axe the whole thing leaving who paid for it's non games in the dust

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JombilyWobbily
JombilyWobbily

I hope you guys get to talk about what Alex Hutchinson said about streamers for next week (schedule providing). To me, he showed his hand. I think it's big tech wanting total control of the content. I could be wrong, of course, but it's a worthy discussion! Oh, and like I said in another comment...I do wonder why Valve hasn't jumped into the cloud service bandwagon and I'd like for Gabe Newell to be asked that. Jack's observation that Netflix drops to substandard quality on the regular (as it does for me) may have to do with the number of users on each platform at a given time. Stadia's numbers are low enough that a healthy bandwidth can be sustained for extended periods of time.

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JombilyWobbily
JombilyWobbily

Just to make my point clear on streaming: there's a legitimate argument to have. Yes, legally, big publishers could kill streaming if they wanted to. Here's the thing, why go after streamers instead of the streaming platform? That's like going after Radio DJs for airing unlicensed music and not their employers! If I'm MS and I don't want my game to be streamed by Yahtzee Croshaw on Twitch, I don't go after Yahtzee personally or The Escapist, I go after Twitch and its parent company, Amazon. That's what happened when YouTube (before Google bought it) was sued by Viacom for deliberately violating its copyrighted programming, they didn't go after NoName uploaders. Good thing Google distanced itself from his statements, but now it's bad PR, specially on the heels of the 3-day showcase in which they showcased very little.

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12 Feet Up
12 Feet Up

If I'm interested in a game about Greek Mythology, why on Earth should I listen to a review from someone who admits they hate Greek Mythology?

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Zenn Exile
Zenn Exile

That anti-Greek racism is pretty stark...

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Khed
Khed

Derivative

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Victor Niglio
Victor Niglio

popping in to show some love to GeForce NOW by NVIDIA! my latency varies a lot, but considering i only use it to play Gwent, it's fantastic! doubt they'll become a real stadia / xcloud competitor, but you never know!

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Mojo Jojo
Mojo Jojo

If weapons don't break every 5 seconds then it's way better then Breath Of The Wild.

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Femsplainer
Femsplainer

@Gamerdept So if this was a survival game with fully limited resources I would agree with you, but then there was the INFINITE BOMBS situation. Previous Zelda games limited the number of bombs you could use because they were consumables and powerful, here you can generate infinite numbers of bombs, so I'd end up just using those in a lot of instances. If you're going to have a limited resources game, then giving an infinite powerful weapon seems inappropriate to that goal no? None of the other Zelda's had breakable weapons and there was plenty of challenge to be had. Also why does only Link's weapons break? I mean you take the weapons from enemies so how come they can attack ad nauseam without issue? And don't even get me started on useless drops and rewards. It was the most frustrating thing to me that I went to all of the Temples and got all the power ups to only find out that it limited the number of gold hearts I could have! Seriously wtf, I farmed up a bunch of the super foods to be able to have a gigantic health bar only to find out I could only have, what was it like 3-4 gold hearts because of the health cap? There's a reason all other Zelda games had tool progressions as rewards from the dungeons, because it keeps things fresh and interesting, but this game got stale very quickly and I stopped caring about treasure chests and temple rewards very very quickly because there was never anything new and interesting in them. The puzzles were fun, but when the rewards are so tepid, it really puts a damper on the enjoyment you get from solving them. This is epitomized in the golden poo award...They knew what they were doing and laughed at the player for their hard work.

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Gamerdept
Gamerdept

@Femsplainer I disagree heavily. Breakable weapons made me think of ways to not engage with enemies directly. I can't just go ham on them like an idiot because then I run out of weapons. I had to actually observe my surroundings and use whatever is available. The game makes it clear that killing enemies isn't all that worth too. There's no XP and they rarely drop anything useful (sure, they drop monster parts, but they don't sell well and elixirs suck compared to food)

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Femsplainer
Femsplainer

Seriously, that was by far the worst mechanic of the game. It was such artificial padding to force me to run across the map to stock up on a dozen or so copies of the epic sword of badassery just so I could attempt the next area. Even the MF'ing Master Sword only had a bit more durability. That right there broke my suspension of disbelief because it's the MF'ing Master Sword! How dare they treat it with such disdain...

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MrWhygodwhy
MrWhygodwhy

Nah, too much that was good about Breath of the Wild was a result of systems like the weapon breakage. It worked fine if you have half a brain to work with the system.

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1337Corrim
1337Corrim

"Greek mythology is for people with no imagination". Spoken like someone who has no understanding of Greek mythology. 🙄

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mrshmuga9
mrshmuga9

Ya that was weird because we don’t even have many AAA Greek mythology games to even get tired of that setting. The only AAA game is really just God of War and a single Assassin’s Creed game. If anything, medieval settings are for those “with no imagination” because it’s used so often.

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Femsplainer
Femsplainer

@Guy Underwood Sure but calling it "entry level" when Greek mythology really hasn't had proper room to breathe in quite some time is a mentally stunted viewpoint imo. There are a great many aspects to greek mythology that never get explored properly. These developers just tend to focus on the monsters and gods and supplant their own characters over top of them. The greatest example of this is Ares. In actual Greek mythology Ares is an utter joke. He may be the God of War, but he sucks at it and he loses basically every major battle he engages in with his army of followers. Probably because he's not the god of strategy and tactics, which is Athena. Yet they always show Ares as a badass big boss type because a "God of War" sounds like a badass. As such it's not Greek Mythology that's at issue, it's the laziness of the writers that is the issue. If those same writers watched this video and said "ok I'll choose something less mainstream then" and went out of their way to bring in Zoroastrian, Hindu or any number of pagan heroes and pantheons of Gods but then proceeded to paint over their characters in the exact same manner, well then you'd basically just have a palette swap for the story and have gained nothing.

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Guy Underwood
Guy Underwood

The most generous interpretation of what Jack said is that using Greek mythology for your setting is what you do when you have no imagination. Not that Greek mythology is boring in a vacuum.

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Bojidar Martinov
Bojidar Martinov

Subscribed. Thanks for being unbiased and having your OWN opinion with facts to back it up.

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The Stadia Revolution
The Stadia Revolution

Stadia content creator, everyday Stadia player. The experience he had is the exact experience I get everyday. My download speed is about half of his. It's played like that from the beginning. Glad you were about to try it.

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Sachin
Sachin

@Guy Underwood Yes. I am running it on a 5 year old laptop using Stadia and don't plan to upgrade my hardware. Try it out yourself for free. If you don't like the game, you can refund it within 2 hours of gameplay or within 14 days of purchase.

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ToxZec
ToxZec

@Guy Underwood in theory, yes

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Guy Underwood
Guy Underwood

If I have a computer that can run most 5 year old games pretty well but chugs trying to run Baldurs Gate 3 EA even on the lowest settings would Stadia let me play it? I've got great internet.

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The Stadia Revolution
The Stadia Revolution

There has been no games removed from Stadia. Any game you purchase is yours to keep.

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Kevin Rogers
Kevin Rogers

The game is still fun hands down 😊

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Garabito 27
Garabito 27

i have not try stadia specifically, but living in Central America cloud gaming always gives me to much lag. If it becomes the standard i fear places far away from servers might suffer.

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

True... until they deploy servers near you.

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Cloud Gaming Xtreme
Cloud Gaming Xtreme

Awesome summation of both Immortals Fenyx Rising and Stadia, welcome to the Cloud Gaming Crowd :D

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Jakir Hussain
Jakir Hussain

The tide is finally turning in favour of cloud gaming...THANK GOD

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Snrub
Snrub

As a Stadia user, I don't think it's "the future of gaming". It's just another platform with its own pros and cons like, "Are you going to buy Skyrim remastered on PC, Xbox, PlayStation, [current Nintendo console name] or Stadia?

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Geoffrey Winn
Geoffrey Winn

Cool video!

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bird3713
bird3713

That shill hat needs to be a permanent feature in these videos. Please.

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PewPew_McPewster
PewPew_McPewster

So what you're saying is I should just stick to Genshin Impact

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Dragon50275
Dragon50275

Still prefer the option to play Online or Offline at the drop of a hat. I simply cannot give up that level of flexibility (and really, dependability) just because other people happen to have better internet service than me and are therefore perfectly okay with giving up their ownership, as they'll have more reliable internet access to...access the games through (sorry for the mental hiccup). I support GOG.com for this reason - if you don't want it, you don't have to get their DRM copies of the games they sell, you can just get the download and save it somewhere else, or get it again off their site. Will that mindset change as they grow? Hopefully not, but if so, at least they proved there is a willingness to support that niche when you're smaller.

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KillahMate
KillahMate

When Microsoft comes out with Xcloud sticks that they're talking about doing, with Gamepass, Stadia is dead unless they expand Stadia Pro _a lot._

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Soletestament
Soletestament

My problem with game streaming services, is they have the same problem as Netflix and Youtube. You're using gigabytes worth of data to play. So what if it takes 20 minutes to download 30 gigs for Doom? Better than streaming it and using 200 gigs worth of data over the course of a week or two's play time. It just seems really wasteful for a service that ultimately seeks to rob you of property ownership. Especially when most people have a terabyte data cap even for home internet.

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Femsplainer
Femsplainer

@puck246 No doubt, it's the inbetween times that I don't look forward to. This kind of reminds me of things like Starlink. Sure it solves one problem, but it also ends up causing another one, namely increased difficulty in space launches due to a lot more low orbit satellites and debris. Also they have a rather markedly negative impact on terrestrial observatories. Sure we will probably develop technology to deal with the side effects and filter out the light reflected from the satellites, and we can devise launch patterns and satellite "cow catchers" or w/e, but it's going to be a problem for a decent chunk of time until innovation actually bears fruit. In that time there's going to be a lot of headaches and annoyances that will have no immediate remedy.

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puck246
puck246

@Femsplainer the infrastructure will catch up, don't worry

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Femsplainer
Femsplainer

@puck246 For an American company trying very hard to appeal to an American audience, I think that is kind of an important distinction don't you? Regardless we're hearing constantly about the increased difficulty in providing on demand content in 4K HD from a great number of providers including Google itself. Driving this much more sustained traffic over the internet is incredibly wasteful as a result and if (mind you it's a big IF) these services start to take off, you're going to see a lot of other side effects that are going to impact network quality in more than just gaming.

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puck246
puck246

Most people in America. Almost no other country has caps

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dawangai
dawangai

Compare Stadia to Paperspace/Parsec, where there is no walled garden. You get a windows VM with ability to install games, including your own steam, origin, etc. libraries. Performance in my test run from a year ago was pretty good, cnsidering it's streaming over the internet. I used it for a few months just to test it out, but I have a gaming PC so ultimately no need.

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maik
maik

You're right. The thing is that Staida is for free. You have to pay the games anyway. No matter if its Steam or Stadia or whatever. Another benefit is you dont have to wait for downloads etc. Also you can easily use any device without any hassle. And not to forget about the fact that you can use a wide range of controllers with Stadia. So imo Stadia has alot of benefits compared to a windows VM.

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Quito
Quito

the animations and model design look so cheap, Genshin Impact has better presentation and is free

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Gamerdept
Gamerdept

genshin impact is also a gacha game designed to get you addicted to the microtransactions. guess it's not saying much, since it's probably gonna be the same with IFR, since it's a ubisoft game and all. Just don't get fooled by the honeymoon period that Genshin has when you are pre-Liyue.

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kawaii sama
kawaii sama

I think people are missing the forest for the trees in regards to what Jack said about Greeky mythology. Its more of a case of its just so common and entry level that it doesn't do anything to elevate the game.

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JayStorm
JayStorm

Well to me Greek Mythology is just so Intresting, Crestive and fun it's hard not use it, it's the stories accumulated by thousands of ancient peoples imagination.

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Black Hammer
Black Hammer

The problem with that Jack said is that Greek Mythology isn't what makes Fenyx bland at all. It's how little they leaned into it. Fenyx is generic open world game with an occasional minotaur splashed in. AC: Odyssey, while not the greatest game ever, screamed Greek. Not mythology, but the actual place. Columns, clay roofs, wine, philosophers, slaves, and malakas everywhere. While a lot of what was going on was bland, the world was a definite place. Fenyx's setting has no personality. I don't look at the screen and think, "Ey, that's the Styx (or Athens)." It tries to be Breath of the Wild, which had a very boring world made interesting by the things put into it. Except here they seem to have forgotten to add the mechanics to make the bland overworld interesting.

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sean rice
sean rice

@MrWhygodwhy Even if we are only including gaming...I can't really think of (m)any (more) games in the past 30 years that are built around Norse Mythology (than I can Classical Mythology). Unless we count D&D/Tolkien inspired games, which _do_ draw on Norse, but I think firmly counts as its own mythology. (Point of fact: while games like Final Fantasy may include references like Odin as a summon, it's not really the same as basing your whole game on it like with Immortals:Fenyx Rising.)

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MrWhygodwhy
MrWhygodwhy

@sean rice I'm being somewhat specific to gaming when I make the comparison. I would say Norse is a lot more overdone for the simple fact that JRPG's and gaming in general have been using Norse as a basis for so many settings and/or lore since the 80's. Meanwhile, God of War in 2004 was considered straight up *inspired* for using Greek mythology, which had been rarely tackled in videogames at that point. Certainly not as inspired anymore, but for a very long time, God of War was *the* Greek mythos game series. Norse never quit getting used, and was even used by...yeah, God of War now.

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sean rice
sean rice

@MrWhygodwhy Agree on Hades: the game shows that you _can_ take a tired trope and make it good again if you put in the effort to make it your own. He's totally baiting everyone who's played Hades; that, or he hasn't yet played it himself and gotten a chance to fall in love. I think Norse vs Greek mythology are pretty comparable, though. If someone is gonna be using an existing mythology for their game, book, or movie, most of the time it's Greek or Norse, with very few other ancient religions getting mentioned. Judeo-Christian mythology and Lovecraftian lore deserve a shout out for how often they shows up as well, but they aren't so overdone and usually feel pretty fresh. Shinto is often used in Japanese games, but they have a pretty good excuse. Tolkienian/D&D inspired settings shouldn't even make the cut when it comes to measuring originality, unless you put in some *serious* work to stand out from the crowd(Dark Souls comes to mind). But no, Greek is just as overdone as Norse, if not moreso. God of War, Percy Jackson, Wonder Woman, Xena, AS:Odyssey, Titan Quest, and all five million works about [insert Greek Hero here], the list of works inspired by Classical Mythology goes on for days. Norse has been done more _more recently_, but they never _stopped_ making Greek stuff.

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Lara Rose
Lara Rose

This looks like a very bad very boring Genshin Impact but Genshin is free to play and has....more

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nick chavarria
nick chavarria

I thought the same thing lol

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Simon Grey
Simon Grey

Three main issues people have with Stadia, that were not mentioned for some reason, are: Cost. While entry cost is low, long-term costs are high. Its a honeypot. As in addition to paying for Stadia, you will be forced to pay full price for games, even those that you already own on other platforms. There are no Steam sales on Stadia. And if you decide to walk away, guess what, your games(and all the money spent) is gone. Selection. Stadia has like 100 games now, a year after launch ?!!? And i dont give a shit about Destiny 2. Censorship. Political leanings of Google and how they actively suppress "wrong thinkers" is well documented. So you invest a lot of money into Stadia and then you can lose it all because you had "wrong" opinion on some political matter. And before somebody squeal "not true", it is happening right now on YouTube, where many creators, whose sole source of income is/was making video content, get "erased" due to "wrong" opinions. And a bonus bit. On computer you can do a lot more than just play games. And even as far as games are concerned, there is a whole host of options, like modding, something that Stadia has no alternatives. Also, when it comes to internet requirements for Stadia speed was mentioned, but even more relevant aspects, aka latency and data caps, were not. Why is that ? If your latency is shit, no matter how big of a "pipe" you have, your playing experience will be less than pleasant. Rubberbanding in single-player games... And streaming games, in HD, will eat up data caps real fast. At this point Stadia is a gimmick for casuals, for PC Master Race it is on same level as consoles(source of memes). It is convenient, but that is pretty much it. And with pretty much all of it competitors providing better alternative from top to bottom.

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Dominic✨
Dominic✨

@Simon Grey because GfN isn't a platform. Stadia is a brand new platform which games need porting too, unlike GfN.

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NekoiNemo
NekoiNemo

@Dominic✨ So... Sports and games that are not out yet? Not really making much of an argument here.

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Simon Grey
Simon Grey

@Dominic✨ _GfN isn't a separate platform. It's a Windows pc you rent._ And ?! Its the same thing as Stadia, but better. _Does PlayStation allow you to play games you bought on Xbox?_ How exactly is this relevant ?

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JombilyWobbily
JombilyWobbily

@Dominic✨ I did some digging and now I realize why I got it wrong. His twitter bio used to say "Creative Director @ Google Stadia", which sounds a bit confusing. That's not there anymore, but thousands of people screenshoted it. 😂

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JombilyWobbily
JombilyWobbily

@Dominic✨ Thanks for the correction. Makes sense to distance themselves from that, just as Google is trying YT streaming in part to promote Stadia.

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Paul Roper
Paul Roper

On the subject of game removal, Phil Harrison's on the record as saying that while it's possible a game could be removed from sale to new customers, once you have a game in your library on Stadia it's there permanently (excepting publisher ceasing support for actual gameplay features like multiplayer etc.)

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

This is not just on the record, it is in the Stadia T&C's.

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Femsplainer
Femsplainer

@Jeris II /r whoosh I'm not talking about literally playing offline, I mean playing when not connected to steam...duh

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Jeris II
Jeris II

@Femsplainer this playing ‘offline mode’ is so cringey . The internet rarely goes out . Even if it goes out you should probably be focusing on how to fix your wifi instead of playing video games

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Femsplainer
Femsplainer

Sure the game may be in your library permanently, but what if Stadia decides to purge their servers of the game? Either it gets too old or the creators do something controversial or for whatever reason people demand it be removed a la Hatred (the game)... When you don't even pull the data to your local system you have absolutely no control over its availability. At least with Steam I can DL the game and play it in offline mode if they tried to do something like that...not so much with Stadia.

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superbit415
superbit415

I found the media in general to be optimistic and positive with cloud gaming when it comes to Xcloud. They just hate stadia and rightly so for their idiotic business model.

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Dominic✨
Dominic✨

@Michael McGrath  lack of devices? It had more than xCloud currently has which is only android devices. Stadia launched on pixel phones, Chrome OS, Chromebooks, Macs, PCs and Chromecast Ultras. Not to mention it offers 4k streams as opposed to *checks notes* STILL 720p that xCloud offers. Btw, MS kills as many if not more products.

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Michael McGrath
Michael McGrath

@Dominic✨ I figure the problem was that Stadia's business model and marketing, asking for payment up front, having a disappointing library, having bugs and a lack of compatibility with a couple of devices to begin with, it all contributed to a really, really poor first impression. Add in the fact their main competitor has a larger, better library of games at the membership level and allows installs as well as Cloud gaming, plus Google's history with services like this, and that's why they're in the doghouse.

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Dominic✨
Dominic✨

@superbit415 for its founders launch yes. They always said there would be a free tier tho? I don't understand your point?

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superbit415
superbit415

@Dominic✨ So we are already forgetting it launched with you have to pay a subscription to stadia just to use it and than have to buy the games individually, some of which were more expensive on stadia than on steam. This is what's wrong with fanboyism.

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Dominic✨
Dominic✨

Yes offering their service for free is idiotic. /s

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Joaquim Baeta
Joaquim Baeta

With respect, Stadia will not be the Great Democratizer of gaming until those speed requirements are reduced (unlikely) or countries in the global south have vastly increased speeds (a slow, ongoing process where 4/5G is greatly preferred over fiber). Of course, most people don't care about gamers outside North America and Europe (and maybe China/Japan), but regardless it is still legitimately cheaper to play games on your own hardware than through the internet in the rest of the world. (Not calling you guys out, but there will be people who scoff when they hear 8mbps upload referred to as "slow," including me, who has to upload 1+ GB files every week. As usual, context always matters and perspectives are always different.)

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NekoiNemo
NekoiNemo

That's not quite correct. It's not about the download speeds (US is actually a 3rd world country when it comes to that) - it's about latency. And majority of Google's data centres are indeed located in US and central Europe, which means everyone else is is right fucked when it comes to Stadia, even if they have 1Gpbs fibre to their door, because they will still have 80ms+ ping.

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Jonathan Rodd
Jonathan Rodd

The whole time they were talking about Immortals Fenyx Rising, I was under the assumption that it's strategy was to imitate other mainstream games like Breath of the Wild and Assassin's Creed with the main appeal being that it's cheaper than those games. But then I went and looked it up and Fenyx Rising is a full price title to preorder. If it's just imitating other full price games and it's no cheaper, then I might as well buy the games that it's imitating. At least I know what I'm getting into in that case.

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1337Corrim
1337Corrim

@PewPew_McPewster 245

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1337Corrim
1337Corrim

@PewPew_McPewster a good 675r556w755

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mrshmuga9
mrshmuga9

@Rocketbro135 Whether it is or isn’t a copy, of course the devs would never admit “ya we made a clone of this other thing” because then you would just get the other thing instead.

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Arie Elberian
Arie Elberian

@Adam Devo It most certainly isn't a carbon copy. It's definitely inspired by BOTW, but it has enough differences to make it stand out on its own

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Rocketbro135
Rocketbro135

@Adam Devo imma ask you a question answer honestly, have you played Genshin impact hmm sounds like someone whose only seen pictures

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Xander Crease
Xander Crease

I think Stadia is clear verification that streaming games works if you have the connection to support it. No doubt streaming games is the future but there's nothing like having a library of games on book shelves spanning the history and generations of gaming. Love games? Stream. Cherish games? Physical.

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Xander Crease
Xander Crease

@NekoiNemo I merely used 6 words to simplify game players vs collectors.

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NekoiNemo
NekoiNemo

No, hard disagree on this. If you love games - buy them, digitally or physically - doesn't matter. And if you love merely "consuming" games, the same way you consume TV and fall asleep to it - stream. Because with streaming you can't mod games, you can't tinker with them, and you will not be able to replay that game ever when (not "if") it gets pulled from the service.

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Ultamatum
Ultamatum

In regards to "What if they remove a game" it's happened. Due to technical issues they pulled PGA Tour for a few hours (the wrong version of the game was uploaded or something) and everyone who had already bought the game could still open it and "play" it (it was broken so not much playing was going on but you get my point). Also a few times they've released games too early and people who bought them could still play them after they were pulled.

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Mopman43
Mopman43

I saw there was a livestream of Nick and Jack playing Sekiro- is that posted anywhere? I'd love to watch it.

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Eugene krabbes
Eugene krabbes

@The Escapist thank you Nick

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The Escapist
The Escapist

Boom. https://youtu.be/TCO5ZmTsbxk It's in the Today We Try playlist. Sometimes we leave streams unlisted due to the amount of notifications we can send subscribers in a 24 hour period. All the livestream archives are at the bottom of the channel page.

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Bradley Cross
Bradley Cross

http://www.twitch.tv/escapistmagazine/v/778534430?sr=a&t=5s

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Mopman43
Mopman43

@Bradley Cross It's not on their channel, or their website. Nothing I've tried searching for has had any results.

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Bradley Cross
Bradley Cross

They usually upload their streams to YouTube. Give it a good searchin'

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Consigno
Consigno

I disagree with Jack on IFR but I'm glad to see him try Stadia and realize the magic/science that is Stadia. I'm used to seeing people hate on Stadia out of pure ignorance. I think as more AAA games hit Stadia day and date the more people that will try Stadia because there are serious cost/benefit decision making happenings with every game purchase for consoles and PCs. The relative frictionless nature of Stadia means I've already purchased more games than I can play already but I can literally play a game I got 8 months and 2.5 TB ago and all I have to do is click play because that 2.5 TB is shared NAS on Google and not my own hard drives.

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Consigno
Consigno

@Andreas Ernst can you explain the business model to me?

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Andreas Ernst
Andreas Ernst

The problem most people have with Stadia isn't the technology. It's the business model

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Femsplainer
Femsplainer

@mobius322 It's because people are lazy, ignorant of history, and most importantly, have no imagination. They believe that just because everything is nice and working fairly well right now, that that is the only state it can ever be in, which is patently absurd. Any corporation can fold, or be bought out, or change their business model so radically as to no longer be desirable to their core consumers (looking at you Konami). We see it all the time, yet people forget so easily. It's actually rather disturbing. I remember when Yahoo! and Excite were the top tier search engines, but then along came this rascally upstart named Google. Very few paid attention to that weirdly named, childishly colored search engine at first, but it slowly but surely cornered the market and now those other search engines are dead, buried and completely forgotten by most. The exact same thing happened with Blockbuster Video and Netflix, as well as many other companies. These people lack the imagination to understand that a competitor can come along at any moment and totally upend the status quo. Google, Netflix, Steam, and many other platforms appear to be juggernauts that can weather any storm, but that is simply not the case, and they're the ones taking the risk by investing all their entertainment capital into these companies when they have virtually no consumer rights to their purchases because they signed them all away in the ToS/EULA. As such if they fold, then you as a customer lose everything and there is no way to seek remedy for the situation. The scariest thing is that it's not tinfoil hat to suggest that they could fold, it's actually a realization that it is an inevitability that they will eventually fold, as all companies do.

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mobius322
mobius322

@Femsplainer I don't understand people's obsession with convenience. I remember saying to a friend 10 years ago that (at least in the US) people will always sacrifice ownership and quality to whatever is convenient. Most people are uninvested in the art and media they consume and only ever owned things in the past because they were forced to if they wanted to experience that piece of media. The very fact that people bemoan a movie leaving Netflix as if it is lost forever is proof enough, even though you can go buy it for $5.99 on blu ray. I suppose I'm just not down with giving giant companies even further licence to dictate when and where and how I can enjoy something and knowing that the instant they fold Stadia or the internet goes out you're screwed. Some may say Steam has an issue too, however you can launch most everything in Steam in offline mode with zero internet connection and GOG has zero DRM whatsoever.

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Femsplainer
Femsplainer

@Consigno Those are the very definitions of workarounds to the problem you presented. You said that you don't have time to deal with big downloads, because you are busy with life. However time still flows regardless of whether or not you're actively playing steam so you can set up downloads while you're busy. It literally solves all the problems you presented. I never said anything about physical vs digital, I'm talking about OWNERSHIP rights. If I had proper ownership rights, to download a game from Stadia and do with it what I want and they can't stop me, then I would be fine with it. However Stadia doesn't offer that and thus I don't own the game. Yes Physical media gets around all of these issues generally speaking but it's not the only way to do so. Please stop living in the 20th Century when it comes to Digital Rights. Also this is very different than all those things you say Google is doing. No company I know stores all their sensitive business documents on Google Cloud because they get hacked all the time, plus Google by necessity has access to all the files you upload there and can surreptitiously steal ideas and concepts and it's impossible to prove they did that when they themselves control the logs and have all kinds of ToS and EULA legal protections. Also, you cannot MOD Stadia games because you don't control the files. This is one of the major draws for PC gaming for me and a ton of other people. Skyrim's Dark Elves looked hideous in their Vanilla design and that was one of the first things I helped to correct. Also there's tons of free community content that I would miss out on. I'm not talking crazy conspiracies, I'm talking about consumer protections. There's a reason we have an FDA. It's not because we presume that food production companies would seek to poison everyone, but because there is the possibility that someone could do bad things with good intentions (ie cutting costs by reducing cleaning regimens) that would end up doing just that. When there is no ability for the consumer to retain their ownership rights in any form, we will likely see Stadia start to do bad things, generally with good intentions. Just look at their current controversy with a big wig at Stadia saying that they should charge streamers on places like Twitch for profiting off of gaming. That's not a conspiracy, that actually happened.

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LunchMike
LunchMike

I think I can see Jack’s hot take on Immortals. I would definitely want to see him go a little more in depth maybe on a slightly civil war on why Immortals is more bland than BOTW. But who knows. Maybe they could surprise us with the final release.. I will say the main villain is SUPER generic looking.

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TheChaosmage123
TheChaosmage123

I think what baldy meant to say was Greek mythology has been done so many times it is boring. But there are plenty of games that have done this and have better stories than this game.

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Joshua Bass
Joshua Bass

I figured it was this as well, if he genuinely thinks greek myth is "boring" then like...... what isn't boring? lol Everything is based on these greek stories so I'm sure he just means they've been done to death or just can't be interesting anymore

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Hipólito Alanís
Hipólito Alanís

Honestly I don't really care about Stadia, as a tech-nerd that is always updating his PC, but I click anyway just to enjoy the banter!

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Jeannie Love
Jeannie Love

Games ownership ended with the release of PS4 and Xbox One. Even disks now are just permission to play the game.

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NekoiNemo
NekoiNemo

Maybe when it comes to the consoles. On PC actually owning your games is as alive as it ever has been. And when Microsoft tried to pull that "you don't own the game installed on your system" shite with UWP and Windows Store, we, quoting Yahtzee, "pushed that shite right back in".

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Femsplainer
Femsplainer

Ummm, no? I can play the games with a network disconnected PS4, and XBone...we actually fought pretty hard to make sure the XBone didn't have the call home daily feature, so you're not actually factually correct here that discs are just licensing to play the games.

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zeophen
zeophen

Most people were already invested in BotW before their first 5 minutes of the game. BotW had an excellent sense of exploration and learning interactions/combat. I'm hoping Immortals at least can keep some of the excitement of exploration. Still, I had a lvl 99 Kassandra in Odyssey and done every mission, 'explored'(more like checked off) every location in the game. I'm very interested in a game that is a mix of the two/mostly Odyssey. Also, I'm always up for developers using narration that doesn't break gameplay. Sure, I might end up rolling my eyes at some of the things the commentators say, but I'm sure I'll chuckle a few times and be interested a few times, and as long as I don't have to stand around while they talk, I'd call that a net positive. I doubt I will love the game like I loved BotW, but I expect that I will still enjoy my time with it, and if nothing else hopefully it will illustrate to developers that superficial inspirations from BotW aren't what made BotW work so well. It was a sandbox with tools and rules, you told yourself which direction to go and there was a chance to find something to interest/distract you around almost every corner. I think Jack was being a little unfair. I could plop someone in a field in BotW knowing any direction was great exploration/moments for me when I played because I had context, I had my own goals when I was passing through, but for them it would be the dullest game in the world.

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The Escapist
The Escapist

If you enjoyed the philosopher quests in Odyssey, I think these are the same voice actors. Partially why I connected with it right away cause that was my favorite part about Odyssey.

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

And just a small point for anyone interested, Stadia's advertised 35Mbps down minimum for 4K and ~12Mbps down for 1080p are pretty much on point in my experience, so the requirements are really not as high as people think. What IS quite restrictive is that you need good, stable home networking (a crappy router or bad WiFi environment will totally kill the experience), and a device capable of decoding the stream, which isn't always a given. But as games streaming gets more widespread, this knowledge will be more widespread and the actual hardware we use will certainly be capable enough, so it's only an issue for people with older hardware or greedy ISPs.

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Derick Stephan
Derick Stephan

On top of that, most issues I've seen people have are not actual internet issues but local network issues. Like something going on with their router or modem.

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JombilyWobbily
JombilyWobbily

@Liam Fay Could it be the router they're using? Wi-Fi standards change, and wireless N won't give you what a capable router set for wireless AX will.

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Liam Fay
Liam Fay

I know there are many people with bad internet out there. So I am not denying the problem. But living in a large metropolis area, Ive never met one. I only met people with terrible wifi. Many times their wifi can't even let them use they pay for. Also, there are lack of knowledge what jitter is .. and that is a huge problem. One of the biggest when using Stadia.

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Terry McQuarrie
Terry McQuarrie

Stadia seems nice. But I'm a guy who still has the original Baldur's Gate. I like to buy things and keep them until the END OF TIME! 😜

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Liam Fay
Liam Fay

Honestly this is only my experience, so I am not talking for everyone. But I've moved a lot in my life. Because of that I lost or had to sell almost all my consoles /devices. So I couldn't play the games I had and i ended selling all my physical copies. But, I still have all my digital content, never lost one.

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Digital666Devil
Digital666Devil

I don't know about stadia. I need my games in physical. Every game I buy just digital I don't value it that much. And I don't like to have a lot of games just accessible though one account (safety reasons)

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Jon Langthorne
Jon Langthorne

Really sceptical of this Stadia model, I like to own my games. I understand on PC with the standard model being the steam or epic games store but as a console player I avoid buying games on the PS Store where I can just to have a bit of trade in value or the ability to loan a game to a friend.

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Liam Fay
Liam Fay

@Jon Langthorne 40Mbps internet is more than enough. And here where I live the minimum is 75mbp for $30 per month, after is 300mbps and cost $50 per month. So I feel bad for who can't enjoy it. But the physical version will be there for a really long time. Nothing change for you.

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Jon Langthorne
Jon Langthorne

@Liam Fay Having spotty internet coverage in the part of the UK I’m from does not excite me about this streaming future. 200mb that Jack talked about being average is godly around here!

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Liam Fay
Liam Fay

That is totally understandable, but my experience buying digital copies are better than physical copies. But this is just me. I am always on the road and I've moved out a lot. So physical copies became a nightmare for me.

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Random Noob
Random Noob

I enjoyed the demo but won't be picking it up on release, Watchdogs Legion and cyberpunk will have priority for me for now

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MrWhygodwhy
MrWhygodwhy

"Greek Mythology is for people with no imagination whatsoever". Hades says hi.

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NekoiNemo
NekoiNemo

We all know Jack is a big Nord fanboy. I mean, he likes Skyrim, ffs.

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Black Hammer
Black Hammer

Yeah, that was a pretty poor statement. The problem with Fenyx is that it doesn't actually use Greek Mythology to build the world: something riddled with tragedy, failure, and human nature. It's a candy-coated setting with the odd minotaur thrown in. And saying that in the context of gaming is passively putting down stuff like Titan Quest and Age of Mythology that clearly leaned into the legends enough to be interesting. Or GoW. Or even Hades, which puts its own very creative spin on Greek Mythology, and manages to make something really unique and flavorful despite building off some very bland concepts.

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Griffin Gamer
Griffin Gamer

Not a game, but Disney's Hercule is a pretty good movie with some uniqueness of it's time.

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Flower Blight
Flower Blight

But Zagreus's story was basically created by them since he does not have much information on him. Basically it's not copy pasted Greek mythology like IFR

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Ross Morton
Ross Morton

To be fair, I think it was more of a criticism of how it was presented in the game. Like you say, compare Immortals to Hades. The latter is full of character, while the former looks pretty generic.

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Kilarith Duskleaf
Kilarith Duskleaf

A fair review of Stadia by someone who took the time to actually try it before reviewing it? You mean these escapist people are real journalists?!?

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SAUglaz
SAUglaz

@Jeris II That is literally not the point of my comment. Game streaming means objectively less control for consumer and more games lost to history.

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Jeris II
Jeris II

@SAUglaz just because something doesn’t work for you doesn’t mean it won’t work for other . You are not the voice for everyone

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SAUglaz
SAUglaz

@Claude Gohier At least those have workarounds of people being able to rip the video and music and distribute them in better forms(and Netflix cancelling shows regardless of completion is a problem of capitalism, and not streaming specifically). Games exclusive to streaming are games with an open death sentence.

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Claude Gohier
Claude Gohier

@SAUglaz Stadia is not more anti-consumer or anti-artistic than Steam, Netflix or Spotify.

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SAUglaz
SAUglaz

It doesn't matter how good Stadia can be in perfect conditions(good local network, good ISP, low load on servers). It is a harbinger of anti-consumer and anti-artistic nightmare. It deserves to fail, along with other game-streaming services.

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Bruce Wayne
Bruce Wayne

Hey a Ubisoft game. I wonder how many developers suffered because Yves Guillemot protects his buddies.

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DoctorObviously
DoctorObviously

Nick and Jack seem like good dudes, people I'd love to have coffee with and talk about games.

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Joshua David
Joshua David

And they make quality content imo that's why I don't mind paying them when I can afford to

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Paul Bayram
Paul Bayram

Yea I agree 100%

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LITTY KITTY
LITTY KITTY

Um, isn’t that the guy from red letter media?!?!

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LITTY KITTY
LITTY KITTY

@nick chavarria last video is two years old. Did they stop??

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LITTY KITTY
LITTY KITTY

@nick chavarria 👍🏾

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nick chavarria
nick chavarria

@LITTY KITTY its a youtube channel called “previously recorded” jack and rich used to stream on twitch and review/talk about video games.

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LITTY KITTY
LITTY KITTY

@nick chavarria which previously uploaded channel? I wanna see

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nick chavarria
nick chavarria

@LITTY KITTY on twitch. But literally all of their twitch streams are uploaded to the previously recorded channel. Check em out they’re pretty entertaining.

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alex hannah all things
alex hannah all things

something like stadia could be a good way to do week-long rentals for $5 like video stores used to do. or am i just stuck in the past?

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Sachin
Sachin

Stadia is supposed to get Uplay+ later this year wherein you pay a monthly fee to play all Ubisoft games. This is kind of a rental thing that you mentioned

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Myles G
Myles G

I think it's a great idea. You can kind of think of Pro as that. It's $9/month and you get all the games in the Pro library at that time, as well as any previously claimed Pro games. No commitments so if there's a Pro game that interests you, you can just do $9 for the month.

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Random Noob
Random Noob

I don't think you will see week long rentals but you will have publisher subscriptions where you can get their full catalogue for a month.

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iamtheoceaniamthesea
iamtheoceaniamthesea

Fwiw games have been removed from steam, you can still download and play them as long as you bought them before being removed

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thelastgogeta
thelastgogeta

And there are DRM-free platforms left and right which get forgotten. GOG, DLSite, Indiegala, Itch.io, Humble Bundle, Fakku, Mangagamer, JList are just the few I remember. Say what you will about H-Games but the western front of them (localisations and original games) tend to be really good with this AND have physical releases. It isn't a choice between Steam's limited DRM with many good features or Stadia which kills the need for storage/hardware but kills mods, playing old patches and preservation.

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OwnedTribe
OwnedTribe

I had a lot of fun with Odyssey and BOTW yet I have almost zero interest in this game

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Black Hammer
Black Hammer

Part of the problem is that if you liked Odyssey (and I did), you're saving your doughnuts for AC Valhalla, not this. And if you really dig BotW, you're probably keeping an eye on HW Age of Calamity, too. It's like Kingdom of Amalur dropping a few months after Skyrim. Decent game, sure, but due to timing, immediately relegated to "I'll buy it at 50% off during a release drought in 2022, maybe."

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The Escapist
The Escapist

I think if you really liked both of those games (as I did) you will like this.

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snarky swede
snarky swede

Would be cool with a video where you compared stadia to the Gamepass cloud gaming thing. For me, the issue with Stadia is that its another service, from a company which is not well known for supporting niche products or games very well. I would've loved a game streaming service on top of Steam/GOG, but that seems to be unlikely to happen in the near future.

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JombilyWobbily
JombilyWobbily

I wouldn't discard an option from Valve being in the works. There must be a reason why a giant like Valve hasn't gone the route of cloud gaming seeing as they have a huge chunk of the market and I'd love for someone to ask Gabe Newell about it. I wonder if Jack's observation that Netflix drops to substandard quality on the regular (as it does for me) has something to do with Stadia's amazing performance: the number of adopters of Netflix vs those using Stadia at a point in time.

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Sans
Sans

The fact that genshin came out before this is what ultimately hammers the last nail in the coffin. But from the gameplay I saw otherwise it just looks like Ubisoft finally gave up cloning the least fun aspects of Assassins creed and ended up just with what looks like a mobile version of botw. Which is funny, cause genshin has a mobile port that looks better and works better.

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nick chavarria
nick chavarria

I already downloaded genshim and this game didn’t really sell me on trying out another botw spin off... that was the deal breaker for me

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theamazingbatboy
theamazingbatboy

Ok, you guys are sweet I'll check this show out

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iamtheoceaniamthesea
iamtheoceaniamthesea

I like Greek mythology, I got really into it in elementary school :c

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Michael-Paul Thompson
Michael-Paul Thompson

@iamtheoceaniamthesea if you haven't done so yet, check out the God of War games. They're about as faithful to actual Greek Myth as Disneys Hercules, but they're a fun interpretation of the mythology, and they represent the gods in a pretty faithful light. I got into Greek myth through a children's book I had on them, but God of War got me properly invested in learning more about the real stories.

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iamtheoceaniamthesea
iamtheoceaniamthesea

@nick chavarria no, I sadly only got aware of them after the first movie came out and by that time I already was 14 or 15. My parents took me to see a play about the odyssey when I was like 8 so that's what started it for me^^

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nick chavarria
nick chavarria

Did you read the percy jackson books too? That got me into it

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Greed23
Greed23

*Note* quite breath of the wild

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damian esquilache
damian esquilache

Prometheus is russian, who knew

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NekoiNemo
NekoiNemo

You are aware that what Americans call "Russian accent" has absolutely nothing to do with actual Russian accent, right?

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TokébacIcitte
TokébacIcitte

Surprisingly, Prometheus voice is that of VA Elias Toufexis, who is in fact greek-canadian.

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