Is Single-Player Better Than Multiplayer? | Slightly Civil War

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smooody1988
smooody1988

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Morbid Minded Maniac
Morbid Minded Maniac

I like living in a world where I can enjoy both, but if I were to choose to only play 1 for the rest of my life, I’d go with single player, a lot of my favorite online multiplayer games have an option to play offline with bots or something anyways

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Cagon415
Cagon415

It's nice to know the best human intelligence has to offer is represented by people zigzagging, rabbit jumping, and spinning around in circles.

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ellibod1
ellibod1

BTW Ingredients 200ml double cream 700ml whole milk 4 large egg yolks 3 tbsp cornflour 100g caster sugar 1 tsp vanilla extract

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Rannon
Rannon

The scheduling pain is real! And it's a pain to find good MP games for 2-8 players with various amount of free time and skill, that isn't just Free-for-all shooters (or maybe 4X games); not to mention varying economical situations (E.G: when one or two people have gotten bored with a certain game and others have game budgets).

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Elfos64
Elfos64

There's so many great games that are exclusively multiplayer, such as MOBAs such as League of Legends and Heroes of the storm, Team-based shooters such as Team Fortress 2 and Overwatch, Online trading card games such as Hearthstone and Magic the Gathering, the relatively new asymmetric play games, and while not directly about PvP- the entire concept of leaderboards. And there's games that may _technically_ be solo-playable against computer players but it's clearly not the way most of them are meant to be played, such as every MMORPG, Fighting game, and racer ever made. However, there are also a lot of games that were clearly meant to be single-player but had a terrible multi-player lazily tacked on to it. And most of the games that tend to end up on any given top 10 list are single-player, that's no coincidence.

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Tyler Wilkins
Tyler Wilkins

I'll stick to single player I hate playing with other people

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Fulcan Mal
Fulcan Mal

It sounds like they recorded themselves saying different words independently then edited it together. The pacing sounds weird.

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Taoto Ozunu
Taoto Ozunu

If Jack gets to use the idea that matchmaking is getting better, Yahtzee should've argued that the game AI keeps improving faster

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Devonimp
Devonimp

For my 2 cents.... I just don't understand how a game keeps being fun for THAT long when its all you play! I had the same issue with MMO's. Sure they're fun to trod along in, but everything quickly gets to this finely calculated meta that instantly ostracises everyone who isn't ALREADY at that level.... and the amount of investment to GET to that level is.... a job. Not work, not like 'oh ew I have to put in some effort'... no it becomes a job. 'Oh well I'd love to go out tonight but you know, its raid night, gotta put in my time or everyone at the **coughofficecough** guild will get upset at me.' 'Oh sorry I have to put in some overtime on leatherworking to get the gold I need to be **coughfashionablecough** effective in my next mission'. I just personally don't get it.

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Reishadowen
Reishadowen

So, Yahtzee advocating the merits of singleplayer games over multiplayer? Imagine my shock. Although he did seem much more restrained than usual when ranting about it.

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Bradley West
Bradley West

I work 10 hour days and have things to do most weekends. I simply can't contend with someone that has 8 hours a day to do nothing but play the game I am trying to have fun playing. That being said im playing a lot of titanfall 2 lately and the entire player base could probably fit in a small stadium so I'm ready to be waffle stomped every once in a while

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Eyeball117
Eyeball117

Single player narratives are certainty superior. However, there are some multiplayer games that allow the players to make their own story. Sea of thieves is a great example of this. Every time you set sail you can never tell what's going to happen.

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Luka Dreyer
Luka Dreyer

This seems a rather silly debate to me, although I suspect that's the point. :p I've been saying for a while now that there is a difference between video games as an artistic/storytelling medium (generally single-player experiences) and video games as essentially a sport of sorts (generally multiplayer games). These are inherently two different creations and I think it makes a lot more sense to differentiate between the two when discussing the medium rather then falsely conflate them. What becomes interesting then are games that have both of these within the same package, using the same game mechanics, but for different purposes (e.g. real-time strategy games or shooters).

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Denizu
Denizu

Yathzee the isolated edgelord vs Packard the communist

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Seanileus2
Seanileus2

If there were never any multiplayer games ever made the industry would be infinitely better for it.

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Silenttalker22
Silenttalker22

Considering Yhatzee's incredibly well understood stance, they should've skipped convention and assigned him the opposite. Would've made this more interesting. Skipped everything after how long it took me to write this. Giving Yhatzee this position just meant it was destined to be him making all the points we know he will.

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xxxaragon
xxxaragon

to me there is no definitive answer. are there certain types of multiplayer games/modes that I dislike? absolutely. but the same could easily be said for the way some single player (modes) are designed (e.g. tedious "achievements" like "collecting [x]" are not a substitute for interesting gameplay). and while I would still lean towards single player games, in the end it probably comes down to each single game (e.g. I have no interest in playing a game like "Fifa" alone. I my friends to come around, hang out with my friends and play together - or don't two player games count as "multiplayer"?).

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Jonathan Walmsley
Jonathan Walmsley

I'm guessing Yahtzee doesn't 'feel' much when he plays any kind of multiplayer game because he doesn't 'feel' much around other human beings in general (outside of rankled disdain perhaps) - which he pretty much says in the video! Thus, I'd hardly lump all multiplayer games and experiences into the 'numbing' category when it is Yahtzee himself who seems like a rather numbing person! Hold up a mirror and all that hmm...Plus, he's always harping on about how important the interactivity of the video game medium is, why it is one of its chief elements that makes it stand out from other mediums, yet he clearly discounts the value of one of the greatest forms of interaction available - interacting with other human beings! How self-contradictory we humans are hmmmmmmm...now excuse me whilst I go suck on my snark fillet.

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Crazael
Crazael

I am a firm believer that it really, really depends on the game. Also, the best multiplayer is cooperative multiplayer, not competitive multiplayer.

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Only Macson
Only Macson

The wolf's cry persuaded me

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m a
m a

"Human opponents are smarter" are you sure? I meet players that didn´t know basic mechanics and players that straight line rush B in my direction with zero sense of self preservation

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torn180
torn180

Can we have a debate about whether or not eggs go in custard?

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DMMegsie
DMMegsie

Honestly, I would agree with Yatzee. I'm surprised he didn't bring up longevity when it comes to single player versus multiplayer games. Especially as you can experience single player games after they've peaked compared to struggling to find a game in a 10 year old multiplayer experience that has a dwindling player base.

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Rane Pollock
Rane Pollock

Why does Jack talk with that cadence?

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Spearka
Spearka

I will always be with Yahtzee on this one. A game where only 50% of the players at most are having fun is not a worthwhile experience, and to the people that say "It's about the journey not the reward", there is little reward at the end of mastering a multiplayer game (unless you have your own online community). It's not like learning to brew your own booze or make a model railway. All you get is a "You Win" sign for all the months, if not years of misery you have endured to learn every detail so you can beat down the very people who are going through the same struggle you used to do. "gitting gud" in competitive multiplayer just means you now have a free pass to ruin the fun of everyone less skilled than you. If you're going to play a game, it shouldn't have to be a hobby, it should be something you can enjoy at your own time like, you know, WHAT EVERY GAME IS, not just one behind a screen.

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DarkRonnie
DarkRonnie

depends on what you are looking for, but for me Yes! A lot better!

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James Biggs
James Biggs

As someone who prefers single player experiences, I think Multiplayer is can be more enjoyable in the right scenarios. Resi-5 & Resi-6 are both very flawed single player experiences but go to multi-player & those flaws are buried under all the sudden enjoyment you'll be having. Any bad Single-Player experience can be softened, or even converted to fun, with another person with you.

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Wixvhen
Wixvhen

I will argue both sides in a simple fashion. Single player has a more tailored experience, but multiplayer has a more 'varied' experience ranging very hard in both directions of amazing and awful so you get a more broad and fun experience. It can be summed up as immersion vs fun breadth.

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Daniel fmatosrivera
Daniel fmatosrivera

Yahtzee "Awoo-ing" is... surreal.

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Thomas Giles
Thomas Giles

4:15 Also, unrelated to any points about gameplay Yahtzee makes, see his review for BPM!

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EvillBob
EvillBob

"Human opponents are smarter than AI" I see you haven't actually queued up with randos.

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Marik Zilberman
Marik Zilberman

*Jack is talking about how people cooperate *Jack is talking about online gamers Those two points are not compatible, somehow.

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MellorineKnight
MellorineKnight

I'm a bit dissapoineted, that you haven't mentioned local multiplayer... couch gaming with my family/friends is my favorite kind of gaming.

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Mozzie-dono
Mozzie-dono

There's still no link in the description :/

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Rainbowhawk1993
Rainbowhawk1993

I prefer single player because I don’t really have any friends. Also Single Player is the least susceptible to monetization abuse. Sure square-enix and Ubisoft corrupted some of their single player games but most single player games are free of the corruption. (Just got Serious Sam 4 instead of Avengers and I’m having a blast.)

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Brodie Pochadt
Brodie Pochadt

I think the fallout 76 experiment answers this. Started with just people then were forced to add NPCs to improve the game play

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Just Some Dude
Just Some Dude

Yahtzees first argument is golden. Like a golden turd on a marble, outhouse pillar.

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John Doe
John Doe

Hell is other people.

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Mr Fuzzy Green
Mr Fuzzy Green

Jack refutes AI effectiveness whilst talking like an AI yet to discover speech flow.

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Uncle Dan
Uncle Dan

I'm pretty sure that Jack is just like most of us: fans of Yahzee. He's just really happy to be there working with him.

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InsomniacRyan
InsomniacRyan

‘Emergent gameplay’, in what, a FPS? Please. You want emergent gameplay, your old-school MMOs are where it’s at. WoW, EVE, now that was an environment where fellow players could really go off the rails in a big way. What are people in an FPS going to do, shoot you creatively? NOT shoot you, but, like, ironically?

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njål sand
njål sand

Having the option for coop gameplay is awesome

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Alexole Eya
Alexole Eya

i like to play Single-Player games.Multiplayer is just a bonus for the game and nothing more.

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MEDUSAvsSHOE
MEDUSAvsSHOE

I was just thinking about the movie, Toys. The manipulation of a mind has been refined down to the byte.

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Duy Linh Chu Ha
Duy Linh Chu Ha

It’s more than apple to orange when it comes to comparison. Might as well be apple to pork. Single player games and multiplayer games are completely different. Multiplayer games grow from board games while single player games grow from toys. The underlying idea is completely different when it comes to design and they only cross because technology allows for such. I think everybody who likes Yahtzee is seeking refuge from the multiplayer dominated world. While I’m sad that many game franchises have forced multiplayer into their games for the sake of money, I think they are interesting in their own way, and I’m always love those multiplayer moments where you encounter annoying but quirky real humans who let themselves loose in this world. Like Yahtzee said in one of the past video, it’s fine as long as there’s a layer of glass between us. That layer of glass is multiplayer games.

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Patrick Johnson
Patrick Johnson

Yes.

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GooberTheGrand
GooberTheGrand

multiplayer with random people < singleplayer < multiplayer with friends

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I AM ROBOT
I AM ROBOT

I feel like yahtzee is always on the more popular argument, i knew he'd be fighting for singleplayer before the video even started Its getting a bit stale

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alastair horton
alastair horton

Single player is best because its impossible to be failed or hindered by others

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Renimus Maximus
Renimus Maximus

Counterpoint to the point of stories from multiplayer being emergent: I have tons of moments like that from single player games such as Stellaris and Hearts of Iron IV. So it's not like that is multiplayer only where such things can occur.

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Jimunu
Jimunu

A few bad apples spoil the entire bunch.

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Burning Flag
Burning Flag

I prefer singleplayer but lets be real it depends on the game.

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Ziprass
Ziprass

Opening rebuttal: Lerroyyyyyyy Closing rebuttal: Jenkiiiinnns I leave the rest to the jury.

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Thramoun
Thramoun

When both sides forget co-op multiplayer is also multiplayer. And it doesn't even have match making to boot!

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Péter Jaksics
Péter Jaksics

Yes

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Derek Stewart
Derek Stewart

single player/ local coop vs multiplayer.

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83Grifter
83Grifter

Remember, in multiplayer Jack always have your 6!

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Roon Wiener
Roon Wiener

Single player beats multiplayer.

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The Rebel
The Rebel

Yahtzee making the lone wolf noice made my day

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Kieran C
Kieran C

honestly theres no right answer here... both are great in their own way, but both with very large flaws.. the biggest selling point about single player would be the rate at which you go through the game is completely down to the player, you can take things as quickly or as slowly as you would like, exploring a large open world and completing side quests before going back to the main story when you feel comfortable doing so, multiplayers when able to play through a game that has a lot of PvE options, like destiny, division, tom clancy's breakpoint are great because they really promote working as part of a team to work towards an end goal, whether it be missions or raids, teamwork is always a key part of it and cause communities to be made for players to seek out other players to get into this kind of content, it really is a thing of amazement to be a part of a team players working together to beat a particularly difficult piece of content for the first time. the problem with single player games is how similar, repetitive and grindy the game can feel, especially in games (all of which i love) like final fantasy, elder scrolls, the witcher, fable which go on a levelling system, the higher level you are, the stronger you become but later levels are harder to go between so it takes longer, becoming more of a grind. but in the end RPG's all tell the same story painted differently to fit the world the developers are creating. multiplayers especially when it comes to PvP situations have a huge issue with the matchmaking when it comes to playing as part of a team against other teams of players, there never seems to be any real attempt to matchmake you with players of similar skill, you could be against absolute noobs or a team of pro players who you stand 0% chance of winning against.. if this was streamlined to take your KDA more into account (after getting a more accurate KDA if your a new player) then it wouldnt be so bad.. but being a new player going against players with 1000's of hours with the best upgrades to compliment their style of playing while you have none of these things, really is daunting and can put players off...

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Aidan Pittard
Aidan Pittard

The tin foil hat on Yahtzee when he was talking about algorithms was absolutely perfect

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svsguru2000
svsguru2000

Multiplayer games are grind without context. You are expected to play hours to increase your stats, but what end? So you can maybe beat another player in a match? Even in grindy single player games, you at least do it to beat a powerful boss, so you can advance in the story. In every multiplayer focused game, like destiny, or the division, after the campaign is done, I maybe play another hour or so, before I get bored to death, and I quit the game, never to touch it again.

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zsetrydtyguklvhi
zsetrydtyguklvhi

Yahtzee's lone wolf comment killed me 😂 Well done sir

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Fabrício Sampaio
Fabrício Sampaio

You can like both, people in the comments. Unless you've ever played monopoly by yourself, like the lonely vampire you are, multiplayer has a space in gaming as well.

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RobotShield
RobotShield

Tetris vs WoW Single player vs multiplayer This debate is not about story vs shooters.

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Gonzakoable
Gonzakoable

Re-upload because of the editing error?

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RobotShield
RobotShield

Not all single player games are story driven. Take most of Dev Diary season 1 games for example.

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SnuSnuDungeon
SnuSnuDungeon

"I'm a patriotic citizen of single-player as you know. I understand the need for the nation of multiplayer, and will even holiday there sometimes to see all the people in the pavement cafes wanking for pennies day-in-day-out. But when the armies of multiplayer start gathering at the border, I'll be all up on that barricade like Jean Valjean." Yahtzee 2015

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Bob Tom
Bob Tom

My 2 cents, yes it is. Not to say that multiplayer isn't fun in its own right, but if a game is just strictly multiplayer, then it better be fucking good like TF2, or else that ship is going to sick really fast. When a game relays on other human based players in order for you to play it, it can and probably will be troublesome if not done properly. Although if you add bots then that's a plus, but that doesn't stop the game from being a possible train wreck. Especially if there are no bots and you have to be logged in, you better play it at launch or else it'll just be Lawbreakers and you'll lose thirty bucks (i.e. me....) With Single Player, at least you can play it whenever if you have the disc. Say there's an apocalypse and you're in your little bunker and all you have is a PS2, Gamecube and Xbox (because the Dreamcast got nuked), well before you die and lose your insanity, at east you have games that you can play without having to be connected to the internet. But to be fair, some people just love multiplayer and just want to live in the moment and not think long term, so...props to them I guess...

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Kuroneko Gamer
Kuroneko Gamer

I want all singleplayer to have coop that is all I dont care if breaks the game...

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The chaos gods
The chaos gods

Little suzy working in the acid mines

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Joshua Levenberg
Joshua Levenberg

My take: Depends on the type of multiplayer. Are you talking local or online? If it's the former? Then I say, hell yeah! It can be immensely fun playing with your friends in fighting games and whatnot rather than sterile CPUs. If it's the latter? Then I say, are you out of your fucking mind?! Why would I want to compete with strangers that often hurl bullying remarks and cheat to win?! Besides, online multiplayer creates the most abuse for microtransactions and loot boxes. The very reason the state of AAA(or should I say ASS?) gaming is so abominable at this moment is because of the explosion of online multiplayer over the past decade. I would rather play God of War 4 or Jedi: Fallen Order any time over the likes of Destiny and Anthem.

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Alejandro Silva
Alejandro Silva

That was a very supercash ending

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TheCreepypro
TheCreepypro

great debate the only point Yahtzee got wrong was about the custard you put friggin' eggs in there otherwise what is the point? your just making a souffle or a flan at that point

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Thomas Rogers
Thomas Rogers

I don't agree with him but I believe jack won this debate

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obj 54
obj 54

Look at fallout 76 people always said oh it's fun with friends.

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LynnGryphon
LynnGryphon

Or you just split the difference like Borderlands - single and multiplayer

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Dormaze
Dormaze

two things I didn't expect from this video going in; Yahtzee howling, and a long discussion about custard.

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Robert Jeffers
Robert Jeffers

Skip to 10:14 for the custard.

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Robert Jeffers
Robert Jeffers

Jack lost me at the bon ami "brotherhood of man" speech. One only needs to be online for six seconds to realize the internet marches to a different tune. 😂🔫

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Colton Allgire
Colton Allgire

*Video idea:* Are remakes better than the original?

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Colton Allgire
Colton Allgire

Single player > Multiplayer about 99% of the time..... Left 4 Dead and Evolve, DEFINITELY needs multiplayer

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Wickerbotter The Wizard
Wickerbotter The Wizard

I think Yahtzee having the opportunity to murder multiplayer on the show is a good high. I think Jack trying to argue his point is like making a straw house to block a steel train, easy to blow over and without foundation. It's so second nature for Yahtz that this video is like pure concentrate of Yahtzee.

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Steve McCord
Steve McCord

"Every single day, matchmaking algorithms are getting better..." Well someone should really let Bungie know.

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Tallywort
Tallywort

Well, they kinda are. It's just that they work better with more players (because that makes it more likely to find players of equal skill) and more games played by the players (to get a more accurate measure of skill /whatever other parameters they use)

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The Elike
The Elike

I have played Halo multiplayer since Combat Evolved and I cannot recall a single individual match being more memorable than any other in over 20 years. Same for the epic raids in Destiny amd D2. None of them are more memorable than any other because they all blend together. All I recall viscerally from 30 years of multiplayer gaming is that I would be having a much better time if I was controlling every playable character.

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a3s1r1986
a3s1r1986

if you put eggs in it becomes a flan 😅

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CaptainBlackMarrow
CaptainBlackMarrow

Among Us has betrayed you in chat.

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doom7ish
doom7ish

Depends

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ellibod1
ellibod1

Remember.. this was a debate about custard

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Frank Allen
Frank Allen

Did he say people are smarter than AI? Have you met any people...ever? They are pig shit ignorant and I'm being kind about it

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Red Wyvern Emperor
Red Wyvern Emperor

I'm with Yahtzee (hope I spelled that right) on this. Singleplayer for life. What good would horror games be if you shared them with others? What good would DOOM be if you were not THE DOOMSLAYER, the ultimate demon killing machine, feared by both holy and unholy, but just a soldier in a team. The strength of singleplayer is that it pulls you in, without distractions of other players. That feeling of being the grand hero, saviour of the world, succeeding where nobody else could. Can you feel the same when playing with other players?

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SHADOW 最高
SHADOW 最高

I just miss when multiplayer games were good and had plenty of both modes...

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Tebb Tebberton
Tebb Tebberton

Not every multiplayer game is a free for all deathmatch

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Tebb Tebberton
Tebb Tebberton

...neither one of you talked about co-OP multiplayer.

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Ketsu
Ketsu

Ann Takamaki is now cannon in the SCW universe

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xkennyPLx
xkennyPLx

If we're talking about online multiplayer then lag is another point against it. If I'm playing a game and dying because of lag, then all it brings is frustration.

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Josh Phillips
Josh Phillips

next civil war custard with eggs vs custard with out eggs

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Dominic S.
Dominic S.

Advantages of SINGLEPLAYER: 1. More varied gameplay and stories 2. More options for personalization 3. Not dependent on internet, developer servers, and other players 4. Easy to preserve/will last for long Advantages of MULTIPLAYER: 1. Opportunities for organic gameplay and interactions 2. Skill based gameplay 3. Sense of community 4. Easy to get in (one match and done) Disadvantages of SINGLEPLAYER: 1. Gameplay is generally easier 2. Poor method of connecting with friends 3. Requires more commitment 4. Inorganic and isolated gameplay Disadvantages of MULTIPLAYER: 1. Repetitive gameplay and stories 2. Represent parasocial interaction 3. Dependent on internet, developer servers, other players 4. Hard to preserve/won’t last forever

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Fred Douglas
Fred Douglas

I know these are done more for "fun" then to be a serious argument, but I still have to disagree with the premise of the question itself. I generally enjoy single-player games more than multiplayer games. Games like skyrim, witcher 3, etc are experience that you could NOT get in multiplayer. Likewise, Halo is more than its campaign. If it was just its campaign the series would be good regardless, but it would be pretty far from its legendary status. Sometimes I enjoy playing matches in Halo, sometimes I just want to shoot aliens in the campaign by myself. No type or genre or game is "better" than another, because it's like comparing apples and oranges. I dont like horror games/movies. But that doesnt mean that the genre is worse because of that fact. It just means it doesnt scratch my "itch", whether momentary or in a larger sense of what I enjoy.

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