Is Xbox Game Pass Good For Gaming? | Slightly Civil War

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    The Escapist

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The Escapist
The Escapist

Watch this week's Slightly Civil War episode - Is E3 Still Relevant? - https://www.escapistmagazine.com/v2/is-e3-still-relevant-slightly-civil-war/ This is an interesting one considering we took Yahtzee to E3 for the first time last year...

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wobbly sauce
wobbly sauce

46:10 Ha we are waiting Jack... no pressure.

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Anthony Carter
Anthony Carter

Krita is a free open source version of photoshop which is as good, and it can open photoshop files. Just fyi.

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smooody1988
smooody1988

It doesn't work on mobile (Huawei p30 Pro, pixel 3 and Samsung Tab s5e) . Fix your shit.... Please

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lord buss
lord buss

29:50 Capitalism existed since humans existed and swapped property.

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Zikari SG
Zikari SG

Interesting discussion on the Photoshop subscription. Still using my Photoshop CS2 and Sony Vegas 7 versions i got for 15Euro each as a a student in 2002 :-)

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Patranous
Patranous

I friggin love you guys.

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tuseroni
tuseroni

uh..yeahh...ads...i TOTALLY get those...man those suck...amirite?

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Mayeur000Donz
Mayeur000Donz

This coming gen might legit be the last one where physical versions of games are widely supported. Imma savor it.

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Michael Blosenhauer
Michael Blosenhauer

Hey, I remember Eternal Ring

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Stephen Butler
Stephen Butler

I will keep buying physical consoles until the day they stop printing copies. I love convenience, but I like having a collection of things, a bookcase full of classic games from my childhood, like who on Earth would re-release Gundam: Encounters in Space for the ps2 in this day and age. I love that game, but I’m pretty sure I am one of 25 people who still cares about it.

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LddStyx
LddStyx

The observation that the value of entertainment being tied to the conversations people have seems particularly apt. Everyone is a part of some community and not just walking sacks of money.

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SWHmusic
SWHmusic

These subscription services are a bit of a double edged sword. On one hand they're great for those who like to skim content, dip into many different titles and sample a bit of everything on offer, however for those out there that prefer something with a bit more permanence they don't offer much of tangible value. I do feel that a multitude of options on how to interact with games like we currently have will be the best option. I currently buy physical wherever possible, digital when the price is too good to ignore, however I doubt I would use a subscription service currently. The perpetual payment model is not something I'm a fan of.

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Ben Wang
Ben Wang

I think Software as a Service is an extremely dubious anti-consumer sale model, but I feel the battle has already been lost in other sectors, and it's a losing fight here. If SaaS game passes were to become dominant in the video game-o-sphere, most if not all content in the public eye would be completely dictated by the whims of large publishers. I hate the idea of popular culture being curated almost entirely by committees of suits. Jack mentions the point of indies being able to get on these passes to expose them to audiences they normally wouldn't touch, but wouldn't these publishers be incentivized to go for mass appeal over all else to push subscription numbers? The "flagship" games that are primarily advertised on these passes all seem to be the exact sort of open world stealth action adventure rpg with crafting default floor model samples that are just all so tiresome, like destiny, ass creed, horizon zero dawn, etc. Auteur indie developers are exactly who I think would suffer from game passes taking over the industry. Why would larger platforms give the yet unproven next Toby Fox or Lucas Pope the time of day when they can just slap halo and call of duty on to safely sell more subscriptions? Not to mention the whole business of ownership in a digital age. Steam has done more than its part to dismantle it, but the premise of needing to pay a subscription fee -forever- to continue to enjoy the things you like is still detestable. And remember, if we weren't worse off for it in terms of cost:value to us, they wouldn't be doing this in the first place.

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Jeff Tharakan
Jeff Tharakan

Does anyone else feel like Yahtzee's voice does not match his mouth? Not trying to be mean or anything, but I feel like the voice and mouth are out of sync.

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Justin Shaikewitz
Justin Shaikewitz

I love game pass from a value standpoint. What’s weird is seeing the man behind the voice and him not wearing a fedora.

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DawnApon
DawnApon

Woah, Yahtzee's (possibly) in WD:Legion? Coolio

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DawnApon
DawnApon

I honestly didnt completely like the idea of Gamepass, and then I saw Fable 2 on Gamepass and I got it.... And I mean it actually seems very good. My both least used and most favorite thing is It gives you (albeit tiny) discounts on all the gamepass games if you want to own it. I paid 1 dollar to play Fable 2. I've since 100%'ed Crackdown 3, same save across Xbox and PC. Got to experience Gears of War multiplayer again since GoW3, and @60fps on a PC. Got to play Bleeding Edge, and see its actually pretty unique and also: it has player because its ON GAMEPASS! And same for Fable 2, a game from 2008, I finished the game alongside another player! In a backwards compatible game from 2008! I guarantee that wouldnt have happened as organically without Gamepass. This is the most Ive used my xbox in years Also, I doing the old Fable 2 - change system clock for gold income - exploit, I noticed Gamepass gives you 30 days of offline play before it needs to re-up the license. A nice bandaid to the whole always online topic.

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Nathan Williamson
Nathan Williamson

While not the most important thing in the gaming world, but what about Collector Edition's? How would you get that through a subscription? If it dominates the video game market. I don't mean the "Deluxe editions" with the season pass. I mean like the FFVII Remake, Destroy All Humans Remake, and RE2 Remake that come with figurines, artbooks, steelbook cases, a backpack and/or other things.

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Thundawich
Thundawich

It really depends what you want out of gaming. I don't think that game pass would be a good model for the bigger budget games, but if you love the smaller stuff bundled in with older titles then it would be great honestly. But for me it all centers around the policies regarding mods. Honestly I think it should be fine since just being subscribed is the point rather than not endlessly modding and playing a single game without giving any more money over, but companies are known to be weird about mods so I just don't know.

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Widdershins
Widdershins

This is less debate and more Socratic dialogue. Not that I'm complaining. At all.

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RAMPANT_AI 128
RAMPANT_AI 128

Gamepass is just too good

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Homer's Iliad
Homer's Iliad

PRODUCTION NOTE: it would be fun and exciting if you guys showed us the coin flip.

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Tetracarbon (Phillip Wong)
Tetracarbon (Phillip Wong)

Aussie? Mate. Not likely.

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MartyVendetta27
MartyVendetta27

24:00 I dunno Jack, i think ONLY the algorithm could manage to suggest bestiality porn. A human has mental blocks, but an algorithm would just see "huh, people love animal videos. people love porn. absolutely no reason they wouldn't love both."

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Ursine Canine
Ursine Canine

Xbox subscriptions services have a dangerous element to them. If your account is lacking the funds Xbox require, without your permission or approval they will claim they have "lent you" that money, you are now in debt to the Microsoft corporation and if you do not pay them within the specified time (I think it's 2 months) your account is permanently deleted. All that time and money invested. Gone. So be careful if you are going away, have an accident, or fall on hard times. Cheers Microsoft XD

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Nudelaug Binideppat
Nudelaug Binideppat

Poor dairy cows! Now You know how they feel! I like my cows free.~

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AlucardaLaCarte
AlucardaLaCarte

BAH GAWD! BAH GAWD! THAT'S FACT JACK'S MUSIC!!! Also sorry Fact Jack: but mentioning the "ballooning costs of development" without mentioning "the ballooning executive pay-rates" is the inside track to Wrongsville.

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gebs123
gebs123

The algorithm says we need more Exploding Varmints.

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Foxx
Foxx

Yahtzee gave a few absurd scenarios, but I prefer to own games. Sometimes it takes me months to actually get around to Playing the game. I've used these subscription services and somehow managed to never play any of the games on the service for months.

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Solomon Ayalew
Solomon Ayalew

On a philosophical level I agree with yahtzee. Subscription services have essentially removed ownership from consumers. We're essentially digital serfs paying for access to our content from the tech gatekeepers. On a consumer level I agree with the other guy (first time watching sorry I don't know your name) it's really hard to argue against game pass I have it and I love it. I try a new game like 3- 4 times a month when before the cost of doing that would be a bit too much for my current financial set up. Also streaming has put us in an era of tv that's the best it's ever been imo

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Michaiah Vosberg
Michaiah Vosberg

My experience with Game Pass as an avid gamer: all of the value is up front, in the first couple months. After going through the library and experiencing games I wouldn't have played, otherwise, each month has diminishing returns. I'm only getting access to 4-5 new games that I may or may not want to play, not the hundreds of new games at the top. So the longer you subscribe, the worse the value. This isn't limited to Game Pass, but all subscription services. I had a very similar experience with Disney+. The gatekeeping is there. As the systems evolve and merge and diverge, it will become similar to other streaming services. There may be something you really want to play but don't want to pay extra, so you settle for something you can play without paying more. Like if you payed $400 / mo to go to the Golden Coral whenever you wanted, and maybe one day you really want spaghetti for dinner, but they don't serve spaghetti anymore. Maybe they will one day. There's an Olive Garden across the street. You have choice. But you eat Golden Coral Pizza because you can't afford to pay more than what you're already paying. Everyone applauding choice now, sure. It's there. Now. But what about the future? If following trends, there will be Game Pass exclusives. People will start subscriptions just to play exclusive Halo content, DLC only available to Game Pass subscribers. Then, Microsoft removes that content because the algorithm says it's isn't worth the space. Then it's lost forever. I pay for Game Pass. It isn't inherently evil, nor is it the only service on the market. I'm not an idiot. I just recognize trends, and I don't think this should be the future of gaming.

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UnreasonableOpinions
UnreasonableOpinions

“You can’t have a collection of Netflix films.” Yes, as someone who owns a shelf, some USB drives, some DVD cases, and a printer I definitely do not have any such collection.

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KORTOKtheSTRONG
KORTOKtheSTRONG

w

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0Anesthetic 4u
0Anesthetic 4u

This angle with that hair cut and that lighting, makes Yahtzee look like a sleazy 70s porn producer.

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Rob Butler
Rob Butler

*Keeps checking topic to remember what we're talking about

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Ryjak
Ryjak

I gotta admit: as much as I love having physical copies, I’ve been loving the game pass. As long as you play more than like... one game in six months, you save a shit load of money.

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Amichai
Amichai

Hearing Yahtzee doing accents was the highlight of my week XD

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SeanBahamut
SeanBahamut

I've started a small spreadsheet for monthly outgoings so I don't fall into the same trap of paying for subscriptions I don't use. Its too easy to forget about them

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RayShadow278
RayShadow278

You guys pay for Adobe products? lol

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RayShadow278
RayShadow278

Nintendo's "software bundles" are fucking garbage though, the game selection is tiny and restrictive as all hell. Hell, Nintendo is like the ONE company that's COMPLETLY AGAINST archiving the old stuff as long as it isn't Mario or Zelda. "Because they're bad and no one liked them in the first place" So Custom Robo is bad? Armored Core? The entire Ace Combat franchise? Just because it's not readily available in modern systems doesn't mean they are bad games. They've just been abandoned by their license holders in order to chase the trends. Game Pass is not a bad idea because it leads to people being able to try games for a cheap-ish price, that said being able to buy and *own* your games is honestly better in my opinion, but having both is the better answer. Also we *really* need to work on better game archiving.

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Maggie M
Maggie M

Jesus CHRIST. The subscription "service" model has pretty much ruined the Adobe suite for me. It's all fine and good when school is paying for it for you, but as a freelancer? Fuck no. Clip Studio is my bae because Adobe decided to make their login unintuitive and gives me fewer features for more and more money.

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Maggie M
Maggie M

Yahtzee wins the argument in the first four minutes. XDDD

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Jeremy Whitman
Jeremy Whitman

I own Superhot. Fun little game. At some point one of the updates converted it into a store front to try and sell me the sequel, that incidentally can also run the game i bought. That really bugs me, especially since i have to launch it through another storefront.

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Sauro Dinus
Sauro Dinus

I think rn gamepass is a good thing, it does make more games more accessible, but there was that period after Netflix started and it had a monopoly on the movie conversations, I feel we could see something similar happening to gamepass, where only games in that service matter to the games media, which is great for microsoft... until everyone start doing their own subscriptions with their own exclusives, and then we return to where we started, with multiple platforms doing similar things, except instead of consoles we get services and all games are digital... maybe inevitably, but definitely a bit sad... 389 games is a lot of games don't get me wrong but it is a drop in the ocean compared to how many games are out there.

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mrcraggle
mrcraggle

I've been a pretty big fan of Game Pass since its introduction and it's only gotten better since that time. I know it's not for everyone but I don't get a whole lot of time to play games these days so Game Pass gives me tons of games to play for the price of 3 full priced titles per year. Sure I don't get to keep them but realistically, once you beat a game how often are you going back to it? If the answer is lots, then Game Pass may still be for you as it does give a discount when you purchase but if you're more like someone who plays a game once and moves on to something else then that's where the value in GP lies. The argument that subscriptions also lead to minimum effort is also BS. People won't continue to subscribe to your thing if the stuff on it is shit. I wouldn't subscribe to Spotify if it didn't have the music I listened to. Anything that's bad isn't unique to a subscription service. You can pay full price for something bad if you want.

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A Duck
A Duck

Lack of consumer choice/agency is the primary condition for monopolistic exploitation. Gamepass is a nice deal _now,_ in the current market environment. It's virtually guaranteed to rot on the vine, however. Think about the history of DLC, it was heralded in a similar manner as gamepass is today, the streets noisy with the excited praise of naïve gamers who lacked the imagination required to see where it was destined to go awry. Fast forward a few years, allow it to normalize, and boom - lootboxes, hacked content, exploitative product price tiering, etc. Gamepass is a cancer in sheep's clothing.

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Thomas Herbst
Thomas Herbst

This feels like a conspiracy theorist debating living propaganda

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Nathan Williamson
Nathan Williamson

QAnon is leaking.

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Garry Gabriel
Garry Gabriel

there was a time where you actually get to choose when money comes out of your bank account??

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Jeremy Morain
Jeremy Morain

60/20 is a flat 3. You guys said this, and then edited it. How did no one catch this?

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shortylickens69
shortylickens69

I just want some fuckin games. Thats it. Thats all I want.

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ileye Mohamud
ileye Mohamud

Imagine this. All Triple A title are at $60 at launch. So 3 games equal $180 or I can play more than 100 triple A games for 15 dollars a month. And in one year I spend at least 100 dollars. I don't need to pay $499 for a console when i got game pass or spend $180 on 3 games. I can play on my TV, phone, tablet, pc etc. This is the best deal in history

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BOSS SHAWN
BOSS SHAWN

I think Game Pass is the best deal in gaming history. How anyone could think Game Pass is bad when you can still purchase games if you want is remedial sounding to me. 🤦🏽‍♂️

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Bob Tom
Bob Tom

It depends. In a way yes, but in some cases no. If this all there is, then fucking shoot me, stick a fork in me, I'm done. I mean it's practically like the Netflix for Gaming alongside PSNow where you pay a monthly fee and you get all of these games. The only difference between the two is that one you can only download and the other is streaming only (for the most part...) The problem with that is you don't own that. And some know it all is going to say, "But you don't own it really because blah blah blah, look at me, I shove a pencil up my autistic ass every day while waxing my carrot to anime" You know what the fuck I mean. Anyways, you don't own it, it's behind a paywall that you can never get passed, you are forever shackled to whatever Microsoft tells you, and unless you trust them 100%, I'd say worry what they can do. They have the power take any game out of it if they want so, like how Netflix and other services do these days for one reason or another. And when you're paying them so much a month for it, it the end does not justify the means. Or whatever... And some of these games you can get for on the cheap at Gamestop. I mean literally if all you had was $60 for the month, you could go to Gamestop and probably get 4 7 games, depending on price, and walk away with a bunch, or whatever brick and motor store that sells used video games that is not Best Buy or some other big box market because other than Best Buy kind of, all there pre-owned stuff is shit and don't take care of it. I mean sure, ti won't be the hot new game that just came out, but you can find a lot of value in getting games that are only 3 to 5 years old, trust me, I've done what I just said and have collected games to the point where I'll more than likely die first before ever getting to all of it. You just need to learn how to stretch that 60 or 70 bucks out. And if you give me that, "Well I don't have a lot of space" crap, how do you think I feel? I'm running out of room, yet I learn to adapt, overcome, and you on't hear me bitching. The only good that can come from this is for those that are REALLY on the cheap, especially nowadays, along with those people that wake up every first of the month doing an Irish Jig that goes, "Mah Keeeeds!!!" Then it's good because it's affordable and at the very least you can get some fun in. That or if you're a fucking Millennial... boom, I said it, fuck off...

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Frabasco Sauce
Frabasco Sauce

Subscriptions place so much value on the company and so little on the consumer. To the user is an endless supply of games for just $10 a month. for them it's " as long as we can keep them seeing value in things they didn't even ask for, we can justify making em pay us by the month like rent"

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K R
K R

8:00 Only a day or two has the english version of a custom game been up on Dota 2 Arcade and it already has 100,000 subscriptions, and about 750-1000 concurrent players at all times (thats about 100 concurrent lobbies) I don't think we get to see Chinese lobbies, so there's probably a load more over there. This game is Among Us Dota 2 Edition. Its not great, but I haven't encountered any game breaking bugs, and it runs rather smoothly, so its some amount of quality. Just sayin', the rip roaring small guys still puttin out wacky shit, even if its just a remake into a different engine. Oh and did I forget to mention its completely free? 9:34 yeah Blizzard, what ever did happen to archiving? Sometimes it would be nice to play Life of a Peasant again. 11:05 Yahtzee Crowshaw's biting criticism of 2020 11:55 Brave of Escapist to encourage clicking away

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TheCreepypro
TheCreepypro

I think as long as we have both available then it should be no problem I don't want online subscriptions wiping out physical copies also love that discussion on accents at the end I can't wait to see Jack's impression of Yahtzee next week

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Sentient Thundertank
Sentient Thundertank

Why game pass isn't good is because if all games eventually end up on this service or a future rendition and everybody has to buy it, there is no major drive to constantly produce games as they can only be sold via this subscription, and have no rebuy value, it sounds great for consumers at first but will eventually come to be the opposite.

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john smith
john smith

This is a great series! Thanks for keeping this going, Escapist! :)

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Roon Wiener
Roon Wiener

"The Algorithst's"

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alex kim
alex kim

when they mentioned photoshop it reminded when they pulled their plug without any agreement

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Androiddd
Androiddd

$10 a month? Idk how but I pay $3.99 straight through the xbox app on windows 10. 🤷

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HBlatz87
HBlatz87

"Soviet-style couch" ::shows cinder block:: lmfao

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Alexandru Iacobescu
Alexandru Iacobescu

the first argument where I was convinced by both sides.

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Night Cat
Night Cat

Sorry, Jack, you lost this one the moment you listed EA involvement as a positive.

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Ichijo Festival
Ichijo Festival

If you think the removal of cost is a big motivator, you should know I've got like 50+ games on Epic, all for free, most of them unplayed. Quite frankly, the time investment and motivation to start something new are bigger barriers.

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Ichijo Festival
Ichijo Festival

You know what most people watch on these streaming services? Reruns. There are people out there paying $15/month to watch the same goddamn Friends episodes they saw 300 years ago. At a certain point, buying always becomes cheaper than renting. And that's exactly what streaming is: renting.

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Cruzz999
Cruzz999

There's a very easy way to figure out what you're paying for, assuming you use a single credit card for everything. Just lose your credit card. Request a new one, blocking the old. In a month, you'll have a bunch of emails from all the things that can't take money from you anymore, making it very easy to locate what you were paying for before. If you still want it, just update the payment info for that service. If not, either unsubscribe, or just never update the payment info.

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graefx
graefx

Curation, preservation, and ownership will always be why I'll never be 100% on subscriptions. PT is the easiest thing to point to of something just disappearing. Being able to go back or discover old stuff that didn't take off. Especially being able to play something in the context it was intended for, we played some old atari games on a CRT from the library and they were a totally different experience than playing an emulator online. I just don't want to be leasing everything.

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experiment0789
experiment0789

8:45 No that's not encouraging people to try new games, encouraging us to try a new game would be if game pass gave us something for playing the game. The shier fact that a library has easy access to plenty of books doesn't encourage people to pick up a book that's in a genera that they usually do not like or have no interest in, so why in the hell would that work for video games? Now I don't know if this is what he meant to say but, If you do decide to try something new not having to pay for it definitely opens up that option more than buying it than deciding to return it later (assuming you can.

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Toxis
Toxis

wtf?

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Filip Clavin
Filip Clavin

Anyone else who read "CIVIL WAP" on the thumbnail thanks to the timestamp covering part of the "R"?

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Mantis Toboggan
Mantis Toboggan

Jack Packard is bald

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Mike Fox
Mike Fox

You know when you've only heard someone's voice for years, and then you see that voice coming out of a face you had never even considered before...? **stares at Yahtzee**

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James R
James R

I bought all of The Wire and several seasons of King of the Hill on iTunes a couple of years ago. Except I didn’t. What I actually got was the temporary license or some shit, and now I can’t access any of what I bought. Physical media is way less convenient, but at least you do actually own it.

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jed lath
jed lath

Right now wether or not a streaming service is good is like the difference between a warm bath and being boiled alive. Stuff like game pass has the potential to be really good, right now at something like £10 a month for good stuff it's totally worth it if you play just two big games a year. But make it more expensive with a crappier selection and it becomes just another wall you have to pay your way past for your content.

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Josh Malcolm
Josh Malcolm

Took Jack long enough to use a quote from ZP against Yahtzee

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JonMacFhearghuis
JonMacFhearghuis

"In case it weren't obvious..." How very northern of you Yahtzee.

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RocketarmsMedia
RocketarmsMedia

10:10 easily mention the removal of "so long gay bowser" for the mario trio release

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val cant
val cant

Im reluctant to use subscription services Because now i financially supported the making of "cuties" just by using netflix And sure they are cheap now but what if they are dominant ? Then its a full exclusive match for overpriced services

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slothfulcobra
slothfulcobra

Honestly the only reliable way to archive any software in these days when disks are endangered is piracy. Pirates as archivists are not prone to wiping old material on a whim or contract expiration. When you purchase games for a singular money downpayment, the companies are more obligated to keep giving you access, whereas if you're just on a subscription service, they're not.

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spooky shaggy
spooky shaggy

None of this applies to me because me and my friend system shared our profiles on each others xboxes so he pays for the game pass and while I pay for our Xbox live and whatever game he buys I get to download for free and vice versa.

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jondorthebrinkinator
jondorthebrinkinator

Fantavision! What a quirky little firework simulator. It's one of the few games my PS2 can still run because it came on a CD and the DVD laser went out of alignment, the CD laser still works fine.

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hughJ
hughJ

devil's advocate: I think whether it's good or bad depends an awful lot on how these services influence game design in the future, and at the moment it's simply too early to tell. If subscription services like Game Pass become the predominant source of income for third-party developers, then we're likely to see game design shift more towards the mobile game and Netflix streaming model where the focus of design is built on attracting and on-boarding new users/viewers, rather than retaining existing users long-term, or garnering critical praise. When the cost of trying a new game approaches $0, new customers experience virtually zero friction to stop playing and try something else if the game doesn't immediately hook them. This provides a financial incentive for developers to front-load their content in order to game the metrics that determine how they're compensated by the service (new users, download numbers, app launches, etc) which may not correlate with quality and long-term customer satisfaction. Designing a game that justifies a $60 purchase and reinforces its value over time is a very very different thing from designing a game that convinces you to try it for $0 and not immediately delete it afterward. The notion of subscription services improving variety and choice for how you consume games sounds reasonable on its face, but the bulk of the industry's content design is going to be steered by whatever means of distribution is most profitable. As a PC gamer, a decade ago I was lamenting the loss of AAA PC games and genres as long-standing PC studios and franchises pivoted to the larger market of consoles. Today we're seeing similar phenomena in the console market with mobile-style F2P, price-tiered SKUs, as well as sacrificing the premise of designing around a fixed hardware platform. When you buy a console game today it no longer feels like you're buying something bespoke and optimal, rather something that's suboptimal and incomplete. The next phase is going to be accommodating the needs of game streaming (higher latency), so we're going to see genres that are inherently latency sensitive become less favorable for receiving dev funding. Having choices to purchase a game outright or access it via subscription service, and then play it on PC, XBox, or Xcloud sounds nice -- but it's absolutely not going to be the same game you would have gotten if it were designed and sold in a focused way as they classically were.

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Cole's RandomToybox
Cole's RandomToybox

That moment when Yatzhee starts talking about the cult mechanicum as the future. Hail the omnissiah (algorithm) lol

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JJE McManus
JJE McManus

The cows have come home to roost. Dear god, nobody go into the barn!

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Arif R Winandar
Arif R Winandar

40:51 Yatzhee really missed the chance to say "THE MEMES, JACK"

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Zetman
Zetman

i got it for 5$ a month. i spend more on a kfc order. and i order a lot. edit. you should try sony vegas for video editing, its pretty fast for basic stuff lie\ke what ZP needs.

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Johnny Thousand
Johnny Thousand

Debate topic suggestion: Should users be able to resell their digital copies of games? The idea being that to prevent them from doing so is restrictive practice. Obviously Steam and everyone else will fight this to the bitter end but the core argument is that part of owning something means you have the right of disposal, i.e. you can sell it/give it away. One more thing re: the topic at hand... When we buy a CD/DVD/game/book etc, we are purchasing a 'License To Use', we don't strictly "own" it. When we purchase a subscription we are purchasing a 'License To Access'. I know that's what people mean when they talk about buying these things but when we're talking IP I think it's important to keep those things in mind =)

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Zachary Hare
Zachary Hare

Their algorithm joke reminds me of my favourite line from unreal tournament 'blame the coders'

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Charlie Thomas
Charlie Thomas

I like Game pass because allows me to try indie titles I wouldn't give the time of day. A lot of indie games in my eyes are shitty retro Zelda clones, cookie cutter 2D rogue like platformers or a walking sim with a story written by an edge lord or very preachy take on modern society. Game pass giving me the option to try Spiritfarer, CrossCode, Demon's Tilt, Descenders and so on is pretty nice. Plus letting me play their first party games at launch with the service is great too because I won't have to spend £60 on a game I'll played for a couple weeks tops before forgetting it even exists.

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Paul Chatteris
Paul Chatteris

I would never ever have played Ace Combat, Everspace or PES if it wasn't for game pass It's great

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Paul Bova
Paul Bova

43:18 Yahtzee's speaking tour of English language accents

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Whawpenshaw
Whawpenshaw

I think the problem is that no model is perfect. We fixate on problems that one model has or another, but at the end of the day, there are crucial issues with every single business model. These topics end up being nothing but personal preference.

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Bowman C.
Bowman C.

More people need to see this conversation. You guys articulated what I only vaguely felt. In the past I was only able to say “subscription bad” why? “Think of the market...”

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Luis Zuñiga
Luis Zuñiga

So, having Jack doing an impression of yathzee is going to be interesting to say the least

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Noobs DeSroobs
Noobs DeSroobs

I hope you are happy, Yahtzee. You made me look up barnyard porn...

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Daniel Boyd
Daniel Boyd

I honestly thought that last bit was going to equate games pass to communism

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Brendan R
Brendan R

As an Aussie born in western Sydney; a) we miss you please come back and b) bloody hell that Australian accent is better than mine

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Kerone Creary
Kerone Creary

the difference between gamepass and other subscription based models is that the original content is not exclusive to the subscription. So there is still an incentive to make top of the line games for people who want to purchase it out right (which is majority if people at this point). if This works out the way microsoft is hoping it will and the number os subscriber grow to say 50mill. Thats 6 Billion a year without counting what the games make on steam

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Brendan R
Brendan R

...... how many different drinks does jack have???!

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Neon Katt
Neon Katt

for the only one i can do is sean connery, and its "red october standing by" and it goes right in

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Dylan S
Dylan S

had to speed up the play back speed because i've been watching way to much zero punctuation

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